Cherry Picker wrote:I went to the "bird in the hand" school.
I think statistical probability is on my side of this argument.
Odds of drafting a high quality number one center is not all that high.
Will Draisaitl add enough to keep us out of the lottery? If not, offer sheets involving multiple firsts is unwise.
It could be that all of those picks are top-10, it could be 2-3 are top-5, and maybe even a 1st overall in there.
I'm sure Leaf fans regret giving up what turned into Seguin and Hamilton for Kessel. Imagine giving up twice that. Imagine looking at a Matt Duchene coming out of his ELC and offering up what turned into Horvat (2013), Draisaitl (2014), Werenski (2015) and Tkachuk (2016).
If we trust Benning's scouting ability, we need to give him as many possible picks to work with, and trust that he'll get us our own Draisaitl soon enough.
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Cherry Picker wrote:I went to the "bird in the hand" school.
I think statistical probability is on my side of this argument.
Odds of drafting a high quality number one center is not all that high.
i suppose so, fits the retool on the fly logic but like I said you'd be losing a minimum of 3 1st round picks beyond this draft as I understand you cannot offer sheet until July 1st post draft. No offence to Draisaitl but he isn't worth 3 first round picks especially if we end up drafting a centre like Patrick, Hischier or Vilardi
Cherry Picker wrote:I went to the "bird in the hand" school.
I think statistical probability is on my side of this argument.
Odds of drafting a high quality number one center is not all that high.
Will Draisaitl add enough to keep us out of the lottery? If not, offer sheets involving multiple firsts is unwise.
It could be that all of those picks are top-10, it could be 2-3 are top-5, and maybe even a 1st overall in there.
I'm sure Leaf fans regret giving up what turned into Seguin and Hamilton for Kessel. Imagine giving up twice that. Imagine looking at a Matt Duchene coming out of his ELC and offering up what turned into Horvat (2013), Draisaitl (2014), Werenski (2015) and Tkachuk (2016).
If we trust Benning's scouting ability, we need to give him as many possible picks to work with, and trust that he'll get us our own Draisaitl soon enough.
I don't think any of the centres in this draft are expected to be point a game centres. Draisaitl was near a point a game as a 21 year old, 77pts in 82gms. He is big, passes like a Sedin, his skating has improved, and he will spear the opposition in the nuts once in a while. What more do you want?
Hischier is likely the most gifted offensive prospect, but some believe he will end up playing the wing in the NHL, so he could play with Draisaitl on a top line. A lot of the best centre prospects in most drafts end up disappointing. It's better to have a proven commodity.
Cherry Picker wrote:
I don't think any of the centres in this draft are expected to be point a game centres. Draisaitl was near a point a game as a 21 year old, 77pts in 82gms. He is big, passes like a Sedin, his skating has improved, and he will spear the opposition in the nuts once in a while. What more do you want?
Hischier is likely the most gifted offensive prospect, but some believe he will end up playing the wing in the NHL, so he could play with Draisaitl on a top line. A lot of the best centre prospects in most drafts end up disappointing. It's better to have a proven commodity.
Maybe not in this draft, but any offer sheet wouldn't include this years pick anyways.
Draisaitl is a great player, obviously I'd take him if it made sense. Say we draft Nolan Patrick, would you trade Horvat+Juolevi+Patrick+next year's first for Draisaitl? Because that would be insane.
The Canucks next four first round picks could easily garner one (and maybe more) Draisaitl-level player.
I would trade The Nuge, Hall and Yakopov for Drai. We can both play that game. Historically,less than 1 in 4 first round picks have turned out for the Canucks, and some like Neely and Nedved did very little for the Canucks. So a sure thing is better.
Cherry Picker wrote:I would trade The Nuge, Hall and Yakopov for Drai. We can both play that game. Historically,less than 1 in 4 first round picks have turned out for the Canucks, and some like Neely and Nedved did very little for the Canucks. So a sure thing is better.
Someone might point out that Taylor Hall was over a PPG as a 20 year old, and was looking like he could be one of the best LW's in hockey. Of course it's easy to use the gift of hindsight.
McDavid was also in on 40 of Drai's points. So I wouldn't be expecting PPG-like production to continue in goal-starved Vancouver.
I'm also working on the assumption Benning has a clue at the draft table.
And I'm sure the "sure thing" argument was also bandied about when the leaves trade for Kessel.
I'm with Dude here (wait... what?), this makes about as much sense as one of SKYO's trade proposals.
Four point night for Draisaitl.
Leads oilers in playoff scoring.
Just saying....maybe my brilliance is being underestimated.
Offer sheet city baby!
Let's stop any possibility of an oiler dynasty before it's too late.
The top 4 player from the 2014 draft are definitely - Draisaitl, Pastrnak, Nylander and Ehlers. Canadian players busting badly from that draft class. Seems to be a common theme in the draft these days
RoyalDude wrote:The top 4 player from the 2014 draft are definitely - Draisaitl, Pastrnak, Nylander and Ehlers. Canadian players busting badly from that draft class. Seems to be a common theme in the draft these days
Yeah that Mcdavid guy sucks. Little early to be saying who are the studs and duds from a draft that happened less than three years ago, but I guess any chance to run around in your spandex with a river of piss running down your leg and being a chicken little so you can bag on Canadian hockey players and you can't help yourself.
That said if you must judge this draft now, so far Jake Virtanen is the worst player drafted in the first round that year......other than Connor Bleackley. But the Avs were smart and didnt sign the guy so they got a compensatory 2nd rounder in 2016. In your opinion would you rather have Kid Rock from Abby or a second rounder from 2016 ? Right now he is tracking like a third rounder from 2014.
“I don’t care what you and some other poster were talking about”
fringe idk: Boucher, Cramarossa, Megna.
Dahlen is unknown if he can make the team, or when he can transition well, but IF he can someday he'd be a top 6 scorer LW, be cool to see him in camp september to see what he can do in the big leagues of the NHL. But for now unless he scores prolifically in preseason, Daniel Sedin can hold his spot for a year.
Now if they can get a freaking playmaking center for some of those wingers soon. Imagine a young P. Forsberg or a young J. Thornton centering those wingers.
Can the Canucks just win a Cup within the next 5 years.
fringe idk: Boucher, Cramarossa, Megna.
Dahlen is unknown if he can make the team, or when he can transition well, but IF he can someday he'd be a top 6 scorer LW, be cool to see him in camp september to see what he can do in the big leagues of the NHL. But for now unless he scores prolifically in preseason, Daniel Sedin can hold his spot for a year.
Now if they can get a freaking playmaking center for some of those wingers soon. Imagine a young P. Forsberg or a young J. Thornton centering those wingers.
You forgot Lockwood and Gaudette whom both can play wing as well. Both these players should sign next year. I don't think you realize how good these two prospects are SKYO. Terrific later round draft picks by Benning! Didn't we draft Lockwood with the 3rd round pick we acquired in the Sutter/Bonino trade?
But seriously how good are the Granlund and Baertschi trades? Terrific asset management!
