The Great Jim Benning Debate! (And personal insult thread)

[2Fingers]

I don't think Elmer is quite as bad as the piss posse at hfboards makes him out , but he's definitely one of the poorer managers in the league that's for sure. He made a couple decent moves but he needs to continue this trend and not resort back to the constant blunders we have seen for most of his tenure.

Read this morning about the NHL GM ranking and our boy ranked last. Cannot find any link or anything but I don't agree he is the worse. I put him in the middle.

[Cornuck]

Cannot find any link or anything but I don't agree he is the worse. I put him in the middle.

https://hockey-graphs.com/2017/05/03/th ... rd-part-2/

methodology:
https://hockey-graphs.com/2017/05/02/th ... rd-part-1/

[Todd Bersnoozi]

Just looking @ some of the highlights about JB in that article:

Worst Drafter: I'd disagree, I'd say drafting is probably JB's strength. I think he has done pretty good overall. He'd probably like to redo the Virtanen and McCann picks if he could, but it's still early. Getting Tryamkin where he did was a gem. Boeser, Gaudette, Demko and a few others are looking good.

Worst Player Dev't: Maybe. He did rush Virtanen and McCann which set them back a bit. Look @ what Edm did with Draistel, he struggled when he first came in the NHL and the Oilers saw their mistake, sent him back to juniors and the kid came back as a beast. Never looked back since. Hutton also regressed a little in his 2nd year, so maybe some time in Utica would have been good for him as well.

Worst with Extensions: Maybe. He may have overpaid a bit for the Sbisa, Dorsett extensions, although Sbisa was full value for his money this season. The Sutter and Tanev extensions I don't mind, prob about right.

Worst with UFAs: I think I'd disagree here. He did well his first season by picking up Millzy and Verby. Millzy was fulll value for the contract and Verby had one great year followed by a sub-par one. Even though Millzy and Verby were great that first year, I'd say direction of the club, pushing for playoffs rather than rebuild was a mistake. However, that is not the topic. The Eriksson contract looks bad right now.

I'm surprised the article didn't really highlight trades, prob how GMs will be judged the most. I'd rate JB pretty good here. I thought he did well in the Kesler deal considering he only had one dance partner. He did pretty good in picking up Guds and Sutter. It looks like he made a steal with the Granlund trade and Baert looks good. I am mixed on Dorsett and the Linden Vey trade was bad. He moved out Garrison @ the right time as he saw that the contract could be a problem. He got good returns for some older declining players in Juice, Burr and Hansen. Overall, I'd say JB has way more hits than misses.

In summary, I'd say JB is not the worst the GM, although far from the best. He's probably above average for the most part.

[Strangelove]

OMG why do we care about an article by someone named Carolyn Wilke?

Oh yeah because she ranks Benning low.

Not going to waste any time dissecting a horrible article...

[2Fingers]

OMG why do we care about an article by someone named Carolyn Wilke?

Oh yeah because she ranks Benning low.

Not going to waste any time dissecting a horrible article...

Translation, I'm not going to waste my team with anyone saying bad things about my golden boy.

[Hockey Widow]

OMG why do we care about an article by someone named Carolyn Wilke?

Oh yeah because she ranks Benning low.

Not going to waste any time dissecting a horrible article...

Translation, I'm not going to waste my team with anyone saying bad things about my golden boy.

Well there really was no analysis of reasoning done in that article. Just spewing internet chatter. I think most reasonable people can colour grey. The extremes on either side, genius or dumkopf, are not worth spending time over.

[Strangelove]

The fact Reef considers the article worth discussing

... pretty much guarantees the article is not worth discussing.

[2Fingers]

The fact Reef considers the article worth discussing

... pretty much guarantees the article is not worth discussing.

Haven't even read it, just think it's funny any negative Benning you disagree with.

[Strangelove]

Haven't even read it

Why am I not surprised.

[Blob Mckenzie]

I don't think Elmer is quite as bad as the piss posse at hfboards makes him out , but he's definitely one of the poorer managers in the league that's for sure. He made a couple decent moves but he needs to continue this trend and not resort back to the constant blunders we have seen for most of his tenure.

Pretty balanced response there BM. I should probably lay off being so hard on Benning; I just get a little tired of the rediculous 'genious' mindset.

That's what I provide Nuckster. A voice of reason and a balanced analysis of the team and its management.

[Chef Boi RD]

I don't think Elmer is quite as bad as the piss posse at hfboards makes him out , but he's definitely one of the poorer managers in the league that's for sure. He made a couple decent moves but he needs to continue this trend and not resort back to the constant blunders we have seen for most of his tenure.

Pretty balanced response there BM. I should probably lay off being so hard on Benning; I just get a little tired of the rediculous 'genious' mindset.

That's what I provide Nuckster. A voice of reason and a balanced analysis of the team and its management.

Where was this reasoned, balanced, analytical Bubbles during the Gillis regime? To be busy blaming the coach for
the handling of Ballard, Booth, Sestito, Stanton, Kassian, Bernier, Roy, Pahlsson...etc Definitely did not see any of this so called management analyzer side of you for things like having only 4 draft picks in the 2010 draft where we didn't draft until the 4th round. Shit can you imagine if Benning did shit like that. INbred and Bubbles would implode onto themselves

[nuckster]

I don't think Elmer is quite as bad as the piss posse at hfboards makes him out , but he's definitely one of the poorer managers in the league that's for sure. He made a couple decent moves but he needs to continue this trend and not resort back to the constant blunders we have seen for most of his tenure.

Pretty balanced response there BM. I should probably lay off being so hard on Benning; I just get a little tired of the rediculous 'genious' mindset.

That's what I provide Nuckster. A voice of reason and a balanced analysis of the team and its management.

Hmm.. i got the impression that part of your 'thing' is about deriving pleasure from tormenting the parrot and the benning knob gobblers!?

In any case, Benning really needs to come through with some homeruns this draft... and next; no more Virtanen type of miscues.

[Chef Boi RD]

Ster providing some decent entertainment by trying to fit in somewhere. Gold

[2Fingers]

Haven't even read it

Why am I not surprised.

Lol

I said I couldn't find the link and didn't read nor did I say he was the worse GM.

And I also said you diss anything Benning negative, why is anyone surprised about that

[nuckster]

Ster providing some decent entertainment by trying to fit in somewhere. Gold

Right, thats why i post everyday and repeat a particular kind of message/theme continuously - in synch with a few other long-time posters - sound familiar Polly?

Drivel aside, lets hope Benning frikin 'nails it' this year! And if he does, and you want go on about him being a genious, so be it, I'll live with it... gladly.