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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:20 pm
by 5thhorseman
Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:11 pm
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:58 pm
Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:35 pm
I think what Ratski is saying is that
IF USA goes with mail-in ballots
... this particular election could result in massive fraud.
USPS is mightily fucked up btw.
And btw it's Commie China, not Russia that is helping the Dems.
It's also true that
IF USA goes with mail-in ballots
... this particular election could be the most fair and accurate ever.
See, saying something COULD happen is not really saying anything at all.
Instead, why don't you tell us why you think massive fraud is a real possibility.
I was merely stated what I thought Ratski was getting at.
And it sounds like you are oblivious to what just happened with Democratic primary in New York...
I think Ratski is suggesting that mail-in ballots are likely to lead to massive fraud, but I haven't seen anyone explain why.
The problems with the Democratic primary in NY have nothing to do with fraud, from what I've read.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:35 pm
by Strangelove
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:20 pm
Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:11 pm
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:58 pm
Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:35 pm
I think what Ratski is saying is that
IF USA goes with mail-in ballots
... this particular election could result in massive fraud.
USPS is mightily fucked up btw.
And btw it's Commie China, not Russia that is helping the Dems.
It's also true that
IF USA goes with mail-in ballots
... this particular election could be the most fair and accurate ever.
See, saying something COULD happen is not really saying anything at all.
Instead, why don't you tell us why you think massive fraud is a real possibility.
I was merely stated what I thought Ratski was getting at.
And it sounds like you are oblivious to what just happened with Democratic primary in New York...
I think Ratski is suggesting that mail-in ballots are likely to lead to massive fraud, but I haven't seen anyone explain why.
The problems with the Democratic primary in NY have nothing to do with fraud, from what I've read.
Well mail-in voter fraud has historically been a thing in US Presidential elections.
There hasn't been enough mail-in voting for it to be a concern thus far
... but with the massive mail-in voting they're suggesting, it would be a concern for sure.
But I think "My orange hero"'s concern is that the USPS is clearly FUBAR.
The USPS has been that way for decades.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-yorks- ... 1595286912
New York’s Mail-Vote Disaster
Almost a month after the election, nobody knows who won.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-v ... -election/
Vote-by-mail experiment reveals potential problems within postal voting system ahead of November election
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
Tens of thousands of mail ballots have been tossed out in this year’s primaries. What will happen in November?
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:57 pm
by Cornuck
And today trump just gave a full pardon to someone who voted illegally - oh the irony...
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:02 pm
by Strangelove
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-wor ... -in-cages/
AP FACT CHECK: Michelle Obama and the kids in ‘cages’
WASHINGTON (AP) — Michelle Obama assailed President Donald Trump on Monday for ripping migrant children from their parents and throwing them into cages, picking up on a frequent and distorted point made widely by Democrats.
She’s right that Trump’s now-suspended policy at the U.S.-Mexico border separated thousands of children from their families in ways that had not been done before. But what she did not say is that the very same “cages” were built and used in her husband’s administration, for the same purpose of holding migrant kids temporarily.
A look at her remark in the keynote address at the opening night of the remote Democratic National Convention:
MICHELLE OBAMA, on Americans: “They watch in horror as children are torn from their families and thrown into cages.”
THE FACTS: The reference to cages is misleading and a matter that Democrats have persistently distorted.
Trump used facilities that were built during the Obama-Biden administration to house children at the border. They are chain-link enclosures inside border facilities where migrants were temporarily housed, separated by sex and age.
At the height of the controversy over Trump’s zero-tolerance policy at the border, photos that circulated online of children in the enclosures generated great anger. But those photos — by The Associated Press — were taken in 2014 and depicted some of the thousands of unaccompanied children held by President Barack Obama.
When that fact came to light, some Democrats and activists who had tweeted the photos deleted their tweets. But prominent Democrats have continued to cite cages for children as a distinctive cruelty of Trump.
As Barack says about Michelle: "WHAT A DICK!!"
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:09 pm
by 2Fingers
The thing with USA politics is that it is really messed up, regardless of who is the president there is always something going on. Whether the president is a Dem or a Rep if the congress and senate is not the same colour all hell breaks lose, nothing gets done and the country goes deeper and deeper into debt.
I thought it was bad for Trump to get elected but wanted to see what he could do and after 3.5 years other than his dealings with China he hasn't done more than any other president would have done. Do not point to the stocks or jobs because IMO the president gets too much credit or flak for this. What Trump has done more than anyone in the past is divide the country.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:16 pm
by Strangelove
2Fingers wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:09 pm
The thing with USA politics is that it is really messed up, regardless of who is the president there is always something going on. Whether the president is a Dem or a Rep if the congress and senate is not the same colour all hell breaks lose, nothing gets done and the country goes deeper and deeper into debt.
I thought it was bad for Trump to get elected but wanted to see what he could do and after 3.5 years other than his dealings with China he hasn't done more than any other president would have done. Do not point to the stocks or jobs because IMO the president gets too much credit or flak for this. What Trump has done more than anyone in the past is divide the country.
^ That right there is the unbiased opinion of a guy who has insisted over and over that Lord Trump was banging his daughter.
"Do not point to the stocks or jobs" hee hee hee
Wait... the country wasn't divided before Trump?
Strangelove wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:15 pm
Reefer2 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:30 pm
WPE
Racist
Bigot
Sexist
Liar
Poor business man, I mean how many times will he declare bankruptcy?
Crook
Divides the country like no other president
Likes incest, why else would he comment about how “hot” his daughter is at the age of 16?
Has ADHD or maybe the start of dementia, why else would he be mumbling and rambling when he talks, or did they really have air fields in the war of independence?
Who needs evidence when you're a goosestepping goober amirite?
See Reef, it's posts like those that strip away any and all credibility you may have otherwise had...
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:22 pm
by 5thhorseman
Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:35 pm
Well mail-in voter fraud has historically been a thing in US Presidential elections.
There hasn't been enough mail-in voting for it to be a concern thus far
... but with the massive mail-in voting they're suggesting, it would be a concern for sure.
What are you talking about? In 2016 almost 25% of the votes were by mail. It's already massive. This is not new.
https://www.eac.gov/documents/2017/10/1 ... y-overview
Also, there is no evidence of widespread fraud. In fact, the opposite. If you have a link to the contrary, please share.
Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:35 pm
But I think "My orange hero"'s concern is that the USPS is clearly FUBAR.
The USPS has been that way for decades.
You need to spell out what you mean by that. The USPS hasn't needed government funding for decades, unlike banks, airlines, and the auto industry. Sounds like a well-run government service tbh.
These are all procedural issues. Nothing at all to do with fraud. Yes, such issues exist, but you'd expect "American ingenuity" could solve this.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:29 pm
by rats19
I just don’t trust that system besides the fact that USPS endorses Biden and there is a way to tell Democrat or republican within the bar coding on the envelope
Not per se how they voted but which party they are a member of... which would be indicative of how they voted.
It just reeks of fraud to me
God I hope it doesn’t but I’m not holding my breath.
Bins and bins of votes will show up for weeks after the election you won’t know who won till December
It’s all just fucked up down there
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:40 pm
by 5thhorseman
rats19 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:29 pm
I just don’t trust that system besides the fact that USPS endorses Biden and there is a way to tell Democrat or republican within the bar coding on the envelope
Not per se how they voted but which party they are a member of... which would be indicative of how they voted.
It just reeks of fraud to me
God I hope it doesn’t but I’m not holding my breath.
Bins and bins of votes will show up for weeks after the election you won’t know who won till December
It’s all just fucked up down there
Holy fuck Ratski, don't you know that the US Postmaster General is a major Republican donor? So maybe you should favour mail-in voting then
As for your bar code theory, I just don't know what to say. That's just ... wow. Do you really think that?
Yeah, the rest is relevant. They need to ensure timely delivery of the mail-in votes, which is why they shouldn't be removing sorting machines, cutting OT, etc.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:50 pm
by Strangelove
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:22 pm
Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:35 pm
Well mail-in voter fraud has historically been a thing in US Presidential elections.
There hasn't been enough mail-in voting for it to be a concern thus far
... but with the massive mail-in voting they're suggesting, it would be a concern for sure.
What are you talking about? In 2016 almost 25% of the votes were by mail. It's already massive. This is not new.
https://www.eac.gov/documents/2017/10/1 ... y-overview
Nope, not anywhere near 25% by mail, from your own link:
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:22 pm
Also, there is no evidence of widespread fraud. In fact, the opposite. If you have a link to the contrary, please share.
You don't know how to google?
Okay, look for the word "fraud" (16 times) in this article:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mail-i ... nationwide
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:22 pm
Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:35 pm
But I think "My orange hero"'s concern is that the USPS is clearly FUBAR.
The USPS has been that way for decades.
You need to spell out what you mean by that. The USPS hasn't needed government funding for decades, unlike banks, airlines, and the auto industry. Sounds like a well-run government service tbh.
You couldn't be more wrong about this and frankly I'm shocked at your naivety.
I mean it's common knowledge the USPS has been failing for decades!
And it's getting worse...
https://money.yahoo.com/u-postal-chief- ... 59097.html
"The Postal Service has lost $80 billion since 2007."
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:22 pm
These are all procedural issues. Nothing at all to do with fraud. Yes, such issues exist, but you'd expect "American ingenuity" could solve this.
I didn't say that had anything to do with fraud!
In fact I prefaced that part of my post with:
"
But I think "My orange hero"'s concern is that the USPS is clearly FUBAR.
The USPS has been that way for decades."
Having a problem focusing today #5?
"American ingenuity" hasn't fixed the post office, lo these many years, so that's not likely to change...
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:58 pm
by rats19
I meant the union supports Biden the actual “ oh that’s an “R” not getting delivered type of support.
I do believe it if they are a registered party member.
This might only be for primaries because you can vote for anyone in the general election
But still how can you feel confident about that..
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:05 pm
by Strangelove
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:40 pm
Holy fuck Ratski, don't you know that the US Postmaster General is a major Republican donor? So maybe you should favour mail-in voting then
Here's something your leftist brainwashers won't tell you:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-v ... n-chaffetz
You really should read that my friend...
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:11 pm
by 5thhorseman
Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:50 pm
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:22 pm
Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:35 pm
Well mail-in voter fraud has historically been a thing in US Presidential elections.
There hasn't been enough mail-in voting for it to be a concern thus far
... but with the massive mail-in voting they're suggesting, it would be a concern for sure.
What are you talking about? In 2016 almost 25% of the votes were by mail. It's already massive. This is not new.
https://www.eac.gov/documents/2017/10/1 ... y-overview
Nope, not anywhere near 25% by mail, from your own link:
Absentee ballots are also by mail, so 17.7% + 5.9% = 23.6%. But I think you knew that.
I'll look at the rest of your stuff later. It's sunny outside, dontcha know!?
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:17 pm
by Strangelove
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:11 pmAbsentee ballots are also by mail, so 17.7% + 5.9% = 23.6%. But I think you knew that.
I'll look at the rest of your stuff later. It's sunny outside, dontcha know!?
Absentee ballots are done through a completely different process.
There are reasons they are separated in your graph from mail-in voting.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:23 am
by Blob Mckenzie
So is the Pig with the Wig still telling folks to drink bleach down south? They sure got a handle on the virus down there.