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Topper wrote:Doesn't Jimmy's Daddy work for the Leaves?

Yes and they drafted his brother.

Kind of crazy for Vesey. Preds promised him top six, he would have gotten a $95k signing bonus, roughly $50k in remaining salary and burned one year off his 2 year ELC. Preds had him penciled in. Will be interesting to see if Preds file a tampering complaint.

It seems to be getting scarier drafting college kids than Russkies. I hope we don't see this with Boeser and Demko. I feel bad for Nashville. If Demko goes back to college next season, he could do the same thing Vesey did in the spring of 2017. Why wouldn't he? He can just sit back, field offers and pick whoever he desires. If he signs with us, he knows he's spending the year in Utica. Why not graduate, avoid Utica and become a UFA???? It's only 1 year of dough he loses.

RoyalDude wrote:It seems to be getting scarier drafting college kids than Russkies. I hope we don't see this with Boeser and Demko. I feel bad for Nashville. If Demko goes back to college next season, he could do the same thing Vesey did in the spring of 2017. Why wouldn't he? He can just sit back, field offers and pick whoever he desires. If he signs with us, he knows he's spending the year in Utica. Why not graduate, avoid Utica and become a UFA???? It's only 1 year of dough he loses.

Hopefully the PA and league can come to some agreement next CBA to close this loop hole. Not fair to Preds at all. And since he wasn't a first round pick they don't get compensation.

Demko will sign with us. He seems happy to be a Canuck and yes he knows he will spend one year in Utica but he also knows he has a great opportunity here to be our number one down the road. He also talked about developing his pro game slowly in order to be ready when he's ready.

Boeser is another issue. If he is really hot to trot to turn pro and we don't offer to sign him because we want him to develop more we could piss him off enough to go that route. I think that's why Benning, who obviously prefers he spend one more year in college, also says he will talk to Boeser when his season is done yo see where his head is at. If he is determined to turn pro Benning will sign him.

Vesey though seems to be burning bridges.

Is Vesey.. what.. the sixth guy in the last decade or so to do this?

Is the best NHLer (of the guys whose original teams weren't compensated) Justin Schultz or am I missing someone?

It's a kick in the teeth, but so is having a junior player choose to re-enter the draft after 2 years.

That said, I'm sure the PA will be happy to throw the league a bone in future negotiations that doesn't affect their current membership in any way.

dbr wrote:Is Vesey.. what.. the sixth guy in the last decade or so to do this?

Is the best NHLer (of the guys whose original teams weren't compensated) Justin Schultz or am I missing someone?

Blake Wheeler is probably the highest profile player to do this... the Canucks signed Billy Sweatt (Chicago 2nd rounder in 2007) this way, but he didn't pan out.

S_C

The PA has shown its willingness to throw entry level players under the bus during negotiations. I don't think they care about the players until they become NHL players. If the NCAA wants to they could change the rules for hockey players and make them consistent with other sports. That is, players cannot enter the draft until they declare their intentions to do so and once they do they lose their eligibility. That would solve the problem right there.

The NHL could do something to along those lines, saying as long as a player is eligible for NCAA play he cannot enter the draft.

GMs of course could protect themselves by simply refusing to draft these guys.

I don't blame the college kids. After getting your degree you have an opportunity to pick your spot. I'm sure most players would love that, total free agency for players 19 years and older!

dbr wrote:Is Vesey.. what.. the sixth guy in the last decade or so to do this?

Is the best NHLer (of the guys whose original teams weren't compensated) Justin Schultz or am I missing someone?

It's a kick in the teeth, but so is having a junior player choose to re-enter the draft after 2 years.

That said, I'm sure the PA will be happy to throw the league a bone in future negotiations that doesn't affect their current membership in any way.

They need to ammend the CBA so that college players rights belong to the drafting team until a year after college. Or ammend it so that they can be signed in a way that doesn't destroy their college eligibility. either way, right now it is FUBAR.

Tciso wrote:

dbr wrote:Is Vesey.. what.. the sixth guy in the last decade or so to do this?

Is the best NHLer (of the guys whose original teams weren't compensated) Justin Schultz or am I missing someone?

It's a kick in the teeth, but so is having a junior player choose to re-enter the draft after 2 years.

That said, I'm sure the PA will be happy to throw the league a bone in future negotiations that doesn't affect their current membership in any way.

They need to ammend the CBA so that college players rights belong to the drafting team until a year after college. Or ammend it so that they can be signed in a way that doesn't destroy their college eligibility. either way, right now it is FUBAR.

So make them ineligible for the draft until they leave college.

Problem is: They can quit any month, day, minute they want.
Like one day after the draft?

micky107 wrote:Problem is: They can quit any month, day, minute they want.
Like one day after the draft?

That's their problem then isn't it. Isn't the idea to ensure that if drafted the team drafting them has a better chance of signing them to prevent what is happening now? The NCAA does rule in other sports that a player must declare their intention to enter the draft and once they do so they lose their NCAA eligibility which means if they are drafted they will sign.

In other news, Edmonton once again tops the list of teams that FA or players with trade protection are least likely to go to.

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl ... ists-again

micky107 wrote:Problem is: They can quit any month, day, minute they want.
Like one day after the draft?

They can leave school any time the want but they wouldn't be eligible for the draft until after they've left college.

So if the draft is June 24-25th this year and said player declares his intention on June 26th 2016 it doesn't make him a free agent it makes him eligible for the 2017 draft.

If you do that college players will declare their eligibility when the school year is over or even before it end and they will be eligible to be drafted in that years draft. The NBA rule for early eligibility is you must officially declare your early eligibility 60 days before the draft. The NHL can do something similar.

Hockey Widow wrote:

Tciso wrote:
They need to ammend the CBA so that college players rights belong to the drafting team until a year after college. Or ammend it so that they can be signed in a way that doesn't destroy their college eligibility. either way, right now it is FUBAR.

So make them ineligible for the draft until they leave college.

Make them eligible as per everyone else, but have the 2 years to sign timeframe slide while they are in college. Draft at 18, slide the window 4 years, 2 years to sign after college.