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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:03 pm
by ukcanuck
Strangelove wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:54 pm
ukcanuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:36 pm
Strangelove wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:46 am
ukcanuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:17 pm
Now you can say he is innocent and you can
try to prove that, but you
CANNOT say there is no quid pro quo and therefore no crime.
We don't need to "prove Trump is innocent"... you and yours need to prove Trump is guilty.
I guess you've forgotten how things work on this side of the pond.
"Innocent until proven guilty"... ring a bell?
Over here we require evidence of guilt... wild raving speculation doesn't do it for us.
Lord Trump is innocent of any wrongdoing no matter how much you and yours SCREAM otherwise...
I’m not screaming brother, I’m practicing the art of posting Strangelove style.
And proving guilt is exactly what a impeachment trial is for.
You know charged with a crime and then a trial to prove it?
Yeah, you and yours need to prove it, that's what...
I... said
... in response to you suggesting folks need to "prove Trump is innocent".
(FFS I even highlighted it in red, how drunk are you right now... brother?)
But there IS no evidence of wrongdoing on "My orange hero"'s part, so it's not really a "trial" amirite?
(more like a dirty-politics game of Mud Sling amirite?)
And you better believe you were screaming your damn fool head off
... scroll up tomorrow when you're sober.
Nope not screaming, I used larger font to highlight the exact words and phrasing that proves that Trump tried to extort information from Zelensky.
I did not use all caps which is the universally understood form for yelling in a text.
However you are right I misspoke when I said you can try to “prove” that. I should have said you can try to to “defend” that.
However you and other trump supporters have continually claimed there was no quid pro quo and therefore no extortion and therefore no crime.
This is a shameful fallacy
And what I was talking about and that is what I have shown is exactly what was said on the transcript.
By using the word “though” a coordinating conjunction in his sentence, trump connected and made explicit that the money for the missiles were dependent on the information he asked for (crowdstrike)
That is textbook extortion and the reason you are flirting around the edges trying to deflect the argument toward an incorrect word choice and the size of font I chose to use. Is because you are snookered.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:05 pm
by Topper
No quid pro quo
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:29 am
by Per
Topper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:05 pmNo quid pro quo
”[we need our military aid]”
”I would like you to do us a favour though.”
Quid pro quo. QED.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:56 pm
by Strangelove
ukcanuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:03 pm
Nope
not screaming
ukcanuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:03 pm
proves that Trump tried to extort information from Zelensky.
ukcanuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:03 pm
However you and other trump supporters have continually claimed there was no quid pro quo and therefore no extortion and therefore no crime.
This is a shameful fallacy
ukcanuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:03 pm
By using the word “though” a coordinating conjunction in his sentence, trump connected and made explicit that the money for the missiles were dependent on the information he asked for (crowdstrike)
That is textbook extortion
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:35 am
by Per
A declassified White House memorandum documenting the president’s 25 July call with Mr Zelensky shows the call – during which Mr Trump asked his Ukrainian counterpart to probe a conspiracy theory his own aides have attributed to Russia’s intelligence services – began at 9.03 am and ended 30 minutes later.
At 11.04 am that day – 91 minutes after the call had ended – senior Office of Management and Budget (OMB) official Michael Duffey sent an email to Defence Department officials requesting the Pentagon stop making plans to distribute any security assistance funds to Ukraine, the papers show.
The White House’s decision to withhold the funding – a move legal experts say violated US law prohibiting the president from “impounding” congressionally appropriated funds – is at the centre of the “abuse of power” charges for which the House of Representatives impeached Mr Trump on Wednesday.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 56666.html
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:58 pm
by Strangelove
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:09 am
by ukcanuck
You have got to be joking
Trump is just the next one in a long line Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Bush jr, Trump.
And If there was any doubt the massive tax cuts for the rich is all anyone needed to see. “Meet new boss same as the old boss”
If you actually want to clean up the swamp and you truly wanted someone from outside the clique then you should hope Bernie wins the Democrat nomination. However, you and I both know he won’t win because the interests that back the Reagan’s and bush's and trump will fix so he won’t and they get you to fix it for them because You actually buy their horse shit.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:49 am
by Cousin Strawberry
You leave dubya out of this!
Hes my favourite
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 7:42 am
by ukcanuck
The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:49 am
You leave dubya out of this!
Hes my favourite
That’s one thing trump does, make us nostalgic for Ol Dubya
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:50 am
by Mickey107
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 11:30 am
by Cousin Strawberry
ukcanuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 7:42 am
The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:49 am
You leave dubya out of this!
Hes my favourite
That’s one thing trump does, make us nostalgic for Ol Dubya
Trump is pretty funny but nobody touches dubya for quotes
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:42 pm
by Strangelove
ukcanuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:09 am
You have got to be joking
I. Don't. Joke.
ukcanuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:09 am
Trump is just the next one in a long line Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Bush jr, Trump.
No one is surprised UK only sees evil on one side of the aisle.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:36 pm
by ukcanuck
Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:42 pm
ukcanuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:09 am
You have got to be joking
I. Don't. Joke.
ukcanuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:09 am
Trump is just the next one in a long line Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Bush jr, Trump.
No one is surprised UK only sees evil on one side of the aisle.
The guy who will not criticize trump no matter what he says or does is calling me one sided. Haha and he says he. Does. Not. Joke.
Brother doc, I do not bother to list JFK, jimmy, Clinton and Obama because the propaganda video tries to separate Trump from his party the Republicans, the party of the establishment.
You trumpites want the world to believe that trump is different than every republican and Democrat president before him. But he is not different, he is just more of the same. He plays on our fears and hatreds and greed and A disturbing number of people lap it up like he can do no wrong.
He is the Republican party’s Cheeto Christ. The party of unbridled capitalism that champions corporate rights over human rights.
The guy who said he wants to drain the swamp but the first thing he does is reward the very same people who caused entire banks to collapse in 2008 with tax breaks. Trump couldn’t be more establishment if they genetically engineered him.
Once upon a time there was another leader whom the elite like Hugo Boss and the Von Krupps loved too. He spoke about draing the swamp and undoing great wrongs and betrayals. He pointed at socialists and communists and gays and Jews as the evil that caused so much hardship for good hard working citizens during the Great Depression.
He was going to be different. He was not part of the establishment, he got the trains running on time too.
But all he was was a pawn for the industrialists another marionette for the elite class. Until they lost control of the strings that is...
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 3:35 pm
by Strangelove
Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:42 pm
ukcanuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:09 am
Trump is just the next one in a long line Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Bush jr, Trump.
No one is surprised UK only sees evil on one side of the aisle.
And of course the goosestepping moron follows that up by comparing Trump to Hitler...
how cliche!
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 4:06 pm
by Per
OK, so the way this Spiro guy describes what happened in Ukraine immediately made me suspect Russian troll.
Hardly anyone outside of Russia would buy into that description of what went down.
Then he goes on to state that pretty much every single US president since WW2 is a war criminal...
So, can we confirm that he is employed by either the FSB or GRU?
Some sort of link to Russia’s Internet Research Agency for sure.
Now, that leads us to the next interesting question: why, doc, have you chosen to share this anti-American propaganda smear campaign against the entire project of western democracy?
Or let me phrase it this way: are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist Party?
