JT Miller Traded to NYR + Marcus Pettersson Acquired from Pens

[Chef Boi RD]

I agree, Lance White (see Rockford Files). The team will be lucky to sneak in the back door. If they do, they will learn quickly they don’t belong. For some reason the team seems to get thinner in talent the longer the tenure is of Allvin and Rutherford’s time at the Canuck helm.

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[Nuckertuzzi]

Holistically-speaking, you're not wrong. They shipped out wasted cap in Desharnais and Heinen and got more cap space. They got a middle-six forward. They got a defenceman who, by some pundits' accounts is a functional NHL top-4 defenceman. They filled spaces - and not with AHL scrubs masquerading as NHL players. Not terrible.

But it's far from great, and not really good either, unless the players in return take a jump in progression that they've never taken before - or this isn't management's last move with the core before next season.

Management has had a hard-on for Scarecrow going back to Pittsburgh, so they'll re-sign him (hopefully for a good cap hit, but I'm not holding my breath with the way management is talking). Even so, great that the team won't be bleeding more shots- and goals-against with Scarecrow's addition, but not seeing any offence from him - when we're starving for puck-movers and offense even before the trade. With D. Petey and Willander looking closer to playing roles with the team next season, that may abate but it will create a logjam on the blueline. Maybe they become pieces in a core-shaping trade?

Yeah Miller was toxic in the room, and playing "Bad Miller" pretty much all season. If his departure was a 'breath of fresh air' in the room, you hardly saw it from either the coaches, the players or their play last night - it was more of the same. I have yet to see the 'addition by subtraction' in the team. It may come, but the jury's out and there are no indications that it will come either.

At the end of the day, you can't make up quality with quantity. The team lost a dynamic player on both offense and defence; a player who plays heavy and the type of game you need in the playoffs. Miller was a player that moved the needle significantly when he was "Good Miller" - far more than the cumulative effect of Chytil and Scarecrow Pettersson. It's just too bad both Miller and management gave up on trying to get him back to 'Good Miller". Maybe it was impossible, but absent any further explanation as to why Miller had to go we'll never know.

Hopefully Chytil gets packaged with some other pieces for a true replacement of Miller in the team's core moving forward. No one can convince me that either going with a core without a viable replacement for Miller or, even worse, a core with Chytil as part of it, is going to last more than a round in the playoffs - especially with Petey's head so far up his insecure ass he can barely shoot straight. The core needs an overhaul.

Good post. We're 100% on the same page. I've been saying throughout this thread they are more than a major move away from getting back to contender status. This is after the trade, so my thoughts on Chytil, well you're right, I was digging for silver linings because we need something to be positive about. Reality is we're kinda fucked.

My hope is our drafted Swede d-men, not the acquired ones, will transform this blue line into something truly special in a couple of years if not sooner, providing we somehow convince Quinn to stay. And that becomes our identity because I'm really discouraged with our severe lack of needle-moving talent up front.

[Meds]

Next season D Petey and Willander could very well be the 3rd pairing we’ve been needing on this team. Young, on ELC’s, good enough to play 15 min a game where they are sheltered and given the chance to grow Into the NHL game while not being pylons who just dump it off the glass and out or liabilities that make coaches and fans shit their pants every time there is an injury or a penalty taken by one of the top-4. Then they get bridge contracts during which they transition to the 2nd pairing and contribute as good top-4 defensemen who are outperforming their cap hit.

However, Up front we are a mess.

[Blob Mckenzie]

I agree, Lance White (see Rockford Files). The team will be lucky to sneak in the back door. If they do, they will learn quickly they don’t belong. For some reason the team seems to get thinner in talent the longer the tenure is of Allvin and Rutherford’s time at the Canuck helm.

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I didnt realize the trading deadline had passed. They have a good chunk of cap and some moveable assets to improve the team this year. Cap space is a neat thing.

And how did the talent get thinner?? Thinner from when? 2011, 1994.

The OEL millstone is a problem. It robs the team of 4 million to spend on players.

Thank you Elmo

[Cornuck]

Thank you Elmo

I think we can move on from this line...

[Chef Boi RD]

I agree, Lance White (see Rockford Files). The team will be lucky to sneak in the back door. If they do, they will learn quickly they don’t belong. For some reason the team seems to get thinner in talent the longer the tenure is of Allvin and Rutherford’s time at the Canuck helm.

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I didnt realize the trading deadline had passed. They have a good chunk of cap and some moveable assets to improve the team this year. Cap space is a neat thing.

And how did the talent get thinner?? Thinner from when? 2011, 1994.

The OEL millstone is a problem. It robs the team of 4 million to spend on players.

Thank you Elmo

I keep thinking back to when we were heading into a new season with Miller, Horvat, Pettersson, Tanev, Hughes, Demko, Garland, etc., in the fold and with things like Podkolzin and Hoglander on the way, blah blah blah, I used to think - “man, are we deep.”…For some reason now when Chef looks into the Canuck pantry, he sees nothing but empty shelves but a can or two of Campbell’s Soup.

[Tciso]

I keep thinking back to when we were heading into a new season with Miller, Horvat, Pettersson, Tanev, Hughes, Demko, Garland, etc., in the fold and with things like Podkolzin and Hoglander on the way, blah blah blah, I used to think - “man, are we deep.”…For some reason now when Chef looks into the Canuck pantry, he sees nothing but empty shelves but a can or two of Campbell’s Soup.

That was an illusion, my friend. We had a lot of dead weight on those teams. Highmore, Lammikko, Sutter, Motte, MacEwen, Beauvillier, Studnika, Lazar, Dreis, etc. And Mikheyhev...

While we are a bit thinner in our top 6 now, our defense finally looks legit, and we have a legit goalie tandem (assuming Demko returns to form), and a legit bottom 6.

We are a better team, hands down than we were with Petey, jt and Bo.

[Chef Boi RD]

Just can’t score. The forward group is pretty sad, especially with Petey coming up lame, still. Streaky DeBrusk ain’t helping, Tocchets stranglehold on Hoglander has destroyed his confidence, Boeser can’t seem to hit the net.

When Garland is your biggest and most consistent scoring threat up front night in night out that doesn’t bode well for a team looking to make hey post season. The drawing board needs a lot more scribbles on it and patience will be key but as you know - patience and Aqualini don’t go hand in hand.

[Tciso]

Just can’t score. The forward group is pretty sad, especially with Petey coming up lame, still. Streaky DeBrusk ain’t helping, Tocchets stranglehold on Hoglander has destroyed his confidence, Boeser can’t seem to hit the net.

When Garland is your biggest and most consistent scoring threat up front night in night out that doesn’t bode well for a team looking to make hey post season. The drawing board needs a lot more scribbles on it and patience will be key but as you know - patience and Aqualini don’t go hand in hand.

But, we played probably our best defensive game of the year on Saturday, even without Hughes. DPete and 3Pete both prevented out typically Tyre fyres. I believe we finally have the horses for consistent controlled breakouts, and that leads to goals.

Tocchet implemented a breakout-rush system with only 1 Dman who could execute. We seem to have another couple who can too (obviously not as well as Hughes).

[Kenji]

Chef got a brow beating for saying Heinen was a shit signing, but now that he’s been shipped out of Dodge everyone gets on board with the Chef. I can never win.

Sounds like delayed winning

[Kenji]

Do you think EP thinks he’s won? Would this relax him or make him clench more?

I wonder given his (temporary?) primacy as the game breaking talent if he is being consulted about the type of wingers he needs to get out of the slump. More retrieval, protection, Russian-ness, etc

[donlever]

Also....

Vespa or Scooter?

[Meds]

Also....

Vespa or Scooter?

You’d think that for $11.6 sheets we’d have been buying a Ducati…..

FFS.

[Tciso]

Also....

Vespa or Scooter?

Tesla. Allvin totally DOGE'd JT.

[Hockey Widow]

Next season D Petey and Willander could very well be the 3rd pairing we’ve been needing on this team. Young, on ELC’s, good enough to play 15 min a game where they are sheltered and given the chance to grow Into the NHL game while not being pylons who just dump it off the glass and out or liabilities that make coaches and fans shit their pants every time there is an injury or a penalty taken by one of the top-4. Then they get bridge contracts during which they transition to the 2nd pairing and contribute as good top-4 defensemen who are outperforming their cap hit.

However, Up front we are a mess.

I think we see more of D’Petey this year. Willander I’m not sure. Canucks are playing it quiet so far as to whether they sign him when his season is done. He apparently wanted to sign last summer but the Canucks wanted him to play one more year, then assess. So I’m not sure they have made a decision. Ultimately it is up to Willander. If he insist on turning pro the Canucks will oblige. It will be interesting to see if they are willing to burn a year of his ELC.

But none of us know if he is ready for the NHL. Myers has 2 years left in his deal. They still want to give McWard a shot and they are stoked at the Mancini acquisition. Mancini, if he plays well, may push Willander another year or two. Why rush him unless you absolutely have to and he shows up absolutely ready?