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Topper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:08 pm

Per wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:42 pm

Topper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:08 am Tromp made an executive level introduction for the judiciary branches to contact each other.

No, not really. He instructed the Ukrainian president to talk with Giuliani, his personal lawyer.

That’s actually extremely weird. Not protocol at all.

and Barr, the Attorney General, did you conveniently skip that detail because it didn't fit your narrative?

It’s what “they” do tops

What the flying ----?!

WASHINGTON — In a major shift in United States military policy in Syria, the White House said on Sunday that President Trump had given his endorsement for a Turkish military operation that would sweep away American-backed Kurdish forces near the border in Syria.

Now, Mr. Trump’s decision goes against the recommendations of top officials in the Pentagon and the State Department who have sought to keep a small troop presence in northeast Syria to continue operations against the Islamic State, or ISIS, and to act as a critical counterweight to Iran and Russia.

Many Syria experts criticized the White House decision and cautioned that American abandonment of its Kurdish allies could widen the eight-year Syrian conflict and prompt the Kurds to ally with the Syrian government of President Bashar al-Assad to combat the much larger and more technologically advanced Turkish army.
“Allowing Turkey to move into northern Syria is one of the most destabilizing moves we can do in the Middle East,” Representative Ruben Gallego, an Arizona Democrat and former Marine who served in the Iraq war, said on Twitter on Sunday night. “The Kurds will never trust America again. They will look for new alliances or independence to protect themselves.”

In late December 2018, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis resigned over Mr. Trump’s surprise order of a full withdrawal of 2,000 American troops from Syria. Two days later, Brett McGurk, the special presidential envoy for the coalition to defeat the ISIS, also resigned. In the months afterward, American officials quietly worked behind the scenes to ensure that some level of troops would remain in northeast Syria.

As recently as the week of the United Nations General Assembly summit in late September, senior American officials were saying there was consensus across the United States government, including Mr. Trump, on ensuring the welfare of the Kurdish forces — including warding off Turkey’s persistent desire to attack those forces.

“This looks to be another reckless decision made without deliberation or consultation following a call with a foreign leader,” Mr. McGurk said after hearing of Mr. Trump’s decision on Sunday. “The White House statement bears no relation to facts on the ground. If implemented, it will significantly increase risk to our personnel, as well as hasten ISIS’s resurgence.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/07/us/p ... syria.html

No brains, no morals, no scruples, no loyalty, no long term strategy. Evidently no grasp of the consequences.

Or is he really a Russian stooge?
In that case it all makes sense.

Then, of course, his loyalty to Putin and Mother Russia trumps all other engagements.

Kurds in the way.

Topper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:47 am Kurds in the way.

The very same Kurds that have been America's boots on the ground in this conflict.

Talk about betrayal.

Per wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:22 am

Topper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:47 am Kurds in the way.

The very same Kurds that have been America's boots on the ground in this conflict.

Talk about betrayal.

The Kurd/Turkey conflict will never end. It isn't the US's battle to fight for an eternity. Time for the nations in the region to step up and be involved.

Topper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:29 am

Per wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:22 am

Topper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:47 am Kurds in the way.

The very same Kurds that have been America's boots on the ground in this conflict.

Talk about betrayal.

The Kurd/Turkey conflict will never end. It isn't the US's battle to fight for an eternity. Time for the nations in the region to step up and be involved.

I agree tops, tribal battles have gone on for eternity and likely will for a while yet.

Get the us troops the hell out of dodge and let them do what they will inevitably do.

rats19 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:34 am

Topper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:29 am

Per wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:22 am

Topper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:47 am Kurds in the way.

The very same Kurds that have been America's boots on the ground in this conflict.

Talk about betrayal.

The Kurd/Turkey conflict will never end. It isn't the US's battle to fight for an eternity. Time for the nations in the region to step up and be involved.

I agree tops, tribal battles have gone on for eternity and likely will for a while yet.

Get the us troops the hell out of dodge and let them do what they will inevitably do.

The Kurdish SDF (Syrian Democratic Front) has been the USA’s closest ally in Syria and formed the backbone of the forces that defeated ISIS, suffering some 11,000 casualties in the process. A war they fought against a foe that did not even exist until the US invaded Iraq. I say you broke it, you fix it.

Also, the Kurds hold some 10,000 ISIS fighters as prisoners, plus an additional 70,000 women and children connected to ISIS. What will happen with the prison camps if Turkey invades northern Syria? If the Kurds are busy fighting for their own lives against Turkish invasion, this could present ISIS with a fantastic opportunity to launch an attack to free the POWs.

And rather than just being lambs for the slaughter, perhaps the Kurds will kiss and make up with the Assad regime, to fight together against the Turkish invasion, thus strengthening Assad and in doing so the Russian and Iranian interests in the region.

This is a clusterfuck from a political and strategic viewpoint, not to mention that this outrageous betrayal against the US’s most loyal ally in this war, thus serving as a dire warning for anyone in the Middle East who has considered cooperating with the USA.

Not to mention that a Turkish invasion of the Kurdish region in Syria might set off yet another refugee crisis, with some five million civilians heading elsewhere.

Guess I’m now the most conservative and hawkish poster on this god-damned hockey talk messageboard....

It’s a sad and confusing day when I find myself agreeing with Lindsey Graham...

The US will re deploy to the Irish border to patrol another centuries old battle.

Keeping an enemy off-balance can be a good thing, the generals agreed, so long as you are not off-balance yourself

Wonder who they are talking about?

Reefer2 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:30 pm

Keeping an enemy off-balance can be a good thing, the generals agreed, so long as you are not off-balance yourself

Wonder who they are talking about?

Did you just picture those generals putting their arms around each other and in unison spouting some kind of innuendo?

Yeahno: They = Mark Bowden, author of the article and of Black Hawk Down... and noted Trump Derangement Sufferer.

In a perfect world you, he, and Per would be receiving the help you so desperately need...

Strangelove wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:44 pm

Reefer2 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:30 pm

Keeping an enemy off-balance can be a good thing, the generals agreed, so long as you are not off-balance yourself

Wonder who they are talking about?

Did you just picture those generals putting their arms around each other and in unison spouting some kind of innuendo?

Yeahno: They = Mark Bowden, author of the article and of Black Hawk Down... and noted Trump Derangement Sufferer.

In a perfect world you, he, and Per would be receiving the help you so desperately need...

Sure, good thing Gump does not have the authority to do much.

I am sure all Democrats and Republicans alike cannot wait until he is gone. Bring some sense of normalness to the government.

Reefer2 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:31 pm Sure, good thing Gump does not have the authority to do much.

I am sure all Democrats and Republicans alike cannot wait until he is gone. Bring some sense of normalness to the government.

"The President of the USA does not have much authority and everyone in his own party wants him out"

OH EM GEE, you bring so much to this thread Mr Reefer!

Strangelove wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:40 pm

Reefer2 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:31 pm Sure, good thing Gump does not have the authority to do much.

I am sure all Democrats and Republicans alike cannot wait until he is gone. Bring some sense of normalness to the government.

"The President of the USA does not have much authority and everyone in his own party wants him out"

OH EM GEE, you bring so much to this thread Mr Reefer!

For someone who comments a lot you really don’t say much.

Reefer2 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:51 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:40 pm

Reefer2 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:31 pm Sure, good thing Gump does not have the authority to do much.

I am sure all Democrats and Republicans alike cannot wait until he is gone. Bring some sense of normalness to the government.

"The President of the USA does not have much authority and everyone in his own party wants him out"

OH EM GEE, you bring so much to this thread Mr Reefer!

For someone who comments a lot you really don’t say much.

Most of it flies over your silly little head (this is obvious to all but you).

Did you really think your comment...

"The President of the USA does not have much authority and everyone in his own party wants him out"

... deserved a serious reply?

If so, you deserve everything you get at this sight...