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Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:14 pm

5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:46 pm a preventable tragedy

Although the Great Strangelove does frown upon one aggrandising oneself...

Yeah whatever. How much lead time has Trump had on this? And why is NY less than a week away from letting people die?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/politics ... index.html

Mayor Bill de Blasio told CNN on Monday that, as a result, New York City hospitals will make it only through the week before they start reaching "a point where people can't be saved" because of equipment shortages.

Sounds preventable?

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:53 pm In other news, a study released yesterday has shown that men are 50% more likely to die if contracting COVID-19 than are women. So I say, let all the women out to work and play and quarantine men for 90 days. They are after all the vulnerable population.

The Swedish numbers don't really match that (20 men and 16 women have died so far, with an average age of 82). Sure, the Swedish sample size is rather small, but one theory is that in China, Italy and Iran, the countries worst hit so far, most men smoke, while most women don’t. In Sweden it’s 7% of either gender. Since it’s respiratory failure that seems to kill covid-19 victims, smokers are more at risk since their lungs are already compromised.

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:59 pm Come on Gomer gotta cockblock every thread?

I warned you about disparaging references.

5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:45 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:14 pm

5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:46 pm a preventable tragedy

Although the Great Strangelove does frown upon one aggrandising oneself...

Yeah whatever. How much lead time has Trump had on this? And why is NY less than a week away from letting people die?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/politics ... index.html

Mayor Bill de Blasio told CNN on Monday that, as a result, New York City hospitals will make it only through the week before they start reaching "a point where people can't be saved" because of equipment shortages.

Sounds preventable?

Not sure if it would have been entirely preventable, because this thing has exploded rather rapidly. The problem is that up to 5% of those infected may need ICU treatment, and no country has the capacity to treat such a large part of it’s population in intensive care at the same time.

So, not only do you need to get hold of equipment, and hospital beds, at the same time as factories are closing, but you also need trained staff. And how long have we known this was coming? Since January?

Sweden normally has a total of 525 ICU beds. Right now a conference centre outside of Stockholm is being converted into a military field hospital that can take 200 additional ICU patients, and another military field hospital is opening in Gothenburg with some 20 ICU places. Thay are also postponing as much surgery as possible, to minimize the need of ICU treatment post surgery. At present there are just some 50 corona patients in ICU treatment, but when this shit peaks it could rapidly become over 1000... Even though we have raised capacity by nearly 50%, we could still fall short.

As for staff... a training hospital in Stockholm is taking in stewards and stewardesses from SAS (Scandinavian Airlines Systems have given notice to 90% of their staff) to give them a three week crash course in health care. They will not become proper nurses, of course, but should be able to assist at the hospital and let the real staff focus on life and death matters.

Also, the authorities have made lists of people with medical training, both doctors and nurses, that have left the industry, and could, if we declare a state of emergency, order to report at hospitals where needed, Hospitals and universities have already shifted doctors away from research and training and into treatment.

But all these measures are not even likely to be enough. If the peak is too rapid we will simply not be able to accomodate everyone that needs intensive care.

Things in the USA get further complicated by the fact that healthcare there is a largely privately run for profit business. This gives the government less oversight and it complicates the pooling of resources.

Also, if a patient in say Sweden, Canada, Germany, France, Australia, the UK or Japan requires two weeks of ICU treatment, once they are healthy and sent home, they're OK. That's it.

In the USA, on average, ICU treatment costs USD 20,000 per day. Two weeks of ICU treatment then adds up to USD 140,000 that a patient lacking health insurance (as 25 million Americans do) will walk out of the hospital owing them. Even a patient with insurance and a 20% copay will walk out with a USD 24,000 debt, at the same time as factories are closing and the whole service sector is going belly up.

The social and economic consequences in the USA are therefor likely to become far more dire than in other developed countries.

Actually, to be fair, Swedish hospitals do charge in house patients USD 10 per day, to cover the cost for their three meals a day, so a Swedish patient would walk out of the hospital after 14 days of ICU treatment owing them a grand total of USD 140.

Simon Birch talking in a Karl Childers voice wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:33 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:59 pm Come on Gomer gotta cockblock every thread?

I warned you about disparaging references.

Ok Sparky

Watching politicians argue over bailout packages funded by money they don't have

Prince Charles has the coronavirus. The underaged need to be warned

Topper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:51 am Watching politicians argue over bailout packages funded by money they don't have

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Ours only goes to 10 though..... but it seems to be a recognised problem.

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Topper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:51 am Watching politicians argue over bailout packages funded by money they don't have

Just print more money like they did in 2008.

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:07 pm As an asside where is ukcanuck? Haven’t heard from the old prick for a while? Listercat?

I saw our Alberian friend poked his head in the other day.

Listercat is the only person on these boards that I actually know.

BCExpat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:10 pm

Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:07 pm As an asside where is ukcanuck? Haven’t heard from the old prick for a while? Listercat?

I saw our Alberian friend poked his head in the other day.

Listercat is the only person on these boards that I actually know.

I like Listercat. Doesn’t post enough kinda like UW. A few more posts from these guys and yourself means less of reading Pacific Blue’s drunken rants or Gomer’s links etc.

So you actually know Listercat?

Is it true he was pretty involved with the Blackmore’s of Bountiful? I picture him to be an elderly fella with good manners and he goes hunting with a musket and a stick with a rag attached to it

His old lady used to yank on harp strings while he plowed from the back...i heard