The Hypothetical Arm-Chair Retool.

[Topper]

2024 All Star game was on the downward backside slope of the peak.

Peak was Christmas break, Canucks 1st overall, Miller top of the points table, Brock top of the goal charts.

That was when the all Star selections were made and Ricky was selected to coach.

There was a spike back up, dead cat bounce, on the New York road trip.

[Madcombinepilot]

This group has gone through two coaches whose approach to coaching are polar opposite’s. Boudreau leaves ths guys alone, let’s them run loose, doesn’t over coach, etc. Tocchet is overbearing, hammers the guys over the details of the game, so the players play tight but if they follow the system success csn be had.

I do think both have their faults. Coaches like Tocchet can be quite successful early but there is the danger of players getting tired of and to eventually tuning them out.

I do wonder how much of this recent disheveled shitty play has to do with Tocchet’s overbearing coaching style. Are the players tuning him out?

As far as I'm concerned you shop around for a proven coach that can push the right buttons. Tocchet just looks defeated and out of answers.

It's a shame as he was what they needed

but if he's pissing off the stars to the point they're pouting of checking out it'

s the one move the management can make that could potentially turn the ship around. Look at the coilers after the transvestite was ditched

There is no indications of this, your speculating hard here Cuz

[Cousin Strawberry]

Based upon him in a yelling match with Miller after the 4th goal then sending him to end of the bench

[Ronning's Ghost]

You could call it a re-tool based on the fact that they have one player already on the roster who is good enough, and young enough, to build a team around.

But even if you could get the Little Eagles to sign on for that (and you couldn't. At least, no one else has ever been able to), could you get Hughes? What connection to this franchise does Hughes have that would make him want to spend 3-4 peak career seasons while they tried to turn the team around quickly under him? I think if you showed him this plan, he would tell you that he wouldn't resign for '27-'28, and they're better off flipping him for future assets in the process, too, while his value is still high. But maybe he really loves being captain, and it gives him a strong sense of involvement. Supposing that Hughes would sign on for a re-tool, are there enough assets left, present and near-term future, to re-tool a team with a flawed roster structure to peak around 2028, even assuming nearly perfect execution?

I don't see much hope in that route. If I had the power to maximize the chances for a Stanley Cup parade in Vancouver in my lifetime, I would start building towards the best team the Canucks could ice in 2032.

[donlever]

...so you, as well, are bypassing EP11.6 as a legit, top of the league player RG?

Pretty much one year age difference to the day.

[Madcombinepilot]

Based upon him in a yelling match with Miller after the 4th goal then sending him to end of the bench

Meh. I wouldn’t read into that. They are both fiery guys, who hate to lose.

[rikster]

I think ownership is really p*ssed...

I think managment and the coaching staff are p*ssed...

As a season ticket holder going back to the beginning of the Benning era this is the most p*ssed I've been and have let my rep know that unless the team performs a 180 and experiences playoff success I will not be spending another dime on the team...Especially on the heels of a major price increase this season...

IF there is a lockeroom issue with JT then he has to go and it shouldn't be up for debate..

I was always taught that in situations where a company is underperforming and its best sales person is a problem within the team, then that person has to go because the value they bring to the company is less than the negative value they bring to the rest of the team...

I think the only question is how big of a deal is the organization attempting to make?

How many other players are they willing to include in a deal, feeling that Lekkerimaki, Sassons, and Raty will be in the NHL lineup next season and Willander is most likely to make his NHL debut once Boston University is eliminated from the playoffs, and EP2 will begin to get NHL games either this season depending on where they are in the standings or next year for sure...

With JT gone and those 5 players inserted into the lineup along with a big CBA increase next season, the team should be in a good postion to take on salary this offseason or in a trade despite the OEL buyout...

Do they just move JT and see how the team responds, or do they think other players need to go as well?...

For me and my two cents, that's the only question to be answered...

Take care...

[Chef Boi RD]

Winger - Lafrenierre is now being reported as the piece that “was” coming back to Vancouver in Miller trade talks. If so gotta wonder if they are trying to flip Boeser for a centre replacement for Miller????

[Topper]

While hypothetically rebuilding are they hypothetically tanking?

[donlever]

While hypothetically rebuilding are they hypothetically tanking?

....reminds me of something I read on Socialz this AM post last night's win.

"Should the Canucks be buyers this year...."

The mind boggles....

[Meds]

Winger - Lafrenierre is now being reported as the piece that “was” coming back to Vancouver in Miller trade talks. If so gotta wonder if they are trying to flip Boeser for a centre replacement for Miller????

Not a fan of this idea.

I can't see Boeser returning a C that replaces JT without significant add.....not that I think Brock is low value, just that a top-line winger often doesn't return a top-line center.

[Ronning's Ghost]

...so you, as well, are bypassing EP11.6 as a legit, top of the league player RG?

Pretty much one year age difference to the day.

Legit, top of the league player -- or he still was before the most recent injury. I have less confidence in his ability to keep coming back than i do for many others.

But I don't think he's a player whom a franchise like Vancouver could build around successfully. He needs exactly the right kind of linemates (and maybe, some are suggesting, team culture and environment, too) and that's too many extra constraints on what would already be a difficult to execute re-tool assignment. Supposing that EP was playing to his contract value, and that they could get an exact return on talent and cap hit, I think the re-builders would be better off with an $8 million player and a $3.6 million player.

[donlever]

Supposing that EP was playing to his contract value, and that they could get an exact return on talent and cap hit, I think the re-builders would be better off with an $8 million player and a $3.6 million player.

Fair.

As far as the quoted bit.

A good deal of discussion has occured here regarding that subject.

I agree with you.

[Chef Boi RD]

Winger - Lafrenierre is now being reported as the piece that “was” coming back to Vancouver in Miller trade talks. If so gotta wonder if they are trying to flip Boeser for a centre replacement for Miller????

Not a fan of this idea.

I can't see Boeser returning a C that replaces JT without significant add.....not that I think Brock is low value, just that a top-line winger often doesn't return a top-line center.

Yeah, trading a centre for a winger doesn’t make sense which could explain the rumoured third trading partner in the deal. It seems that it’s NYR who was rumoured to be close to a deal with the Canucks and Lafreniere was the name one news wire said it was to be. NYR’s farm team scratched 3 players in expectation of a trade with Vancouver. Castonguay is rumoured to be pushing for Lafreniere, who was his former agent prior to the Canucks hiring her.

[Meds]

Winger - Lafrenierre is now being reported as the piece that “was” coming back to Vancouver in Miller trade talks. If so gotta wonder if they are trying to flip Boeser for a centre replacement for Miller????

Not a fan of this idea.

I can't see Boeser returning a C that replaces JT without significant add.....not that I think Brock is low value, just that a top-line winger often doesn't return a top-line center.

Yeah, trading a centre for a winger doesn’t make sense which could explain the rumoured third trading partner in the deal. It seems that it’s NYR who was rumoured to be close to a deal with the Canucks and Lafreniere was the name one news wire said it was to be. NYR’s farm team scratched 3 players in expectation of a trade with Vancouver. Castonguay is rumoured to be pushing for Lafreniere, who was his former agent prior to the Canucks hiring her.

The players that Hartford scratched didn't move the needle at all imho. A who's who of AHL scrubs that probably won't ever crack the top-6 on any NHL team.