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RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:02 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:56 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:46 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:44 am This is where an experienced President of Hockey Operations would come in handy. Elmer needs a boss to hold his hand and to talk him out of these dumb moves.

Blob loved the trade Calgary made for Hamonic

No I didnt

You didn’t hate it

I said it was a steep price

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:11 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:02 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:56 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:46 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:44 am This is where an experienced President of Hockey Operations would come in handy. Elmer needs a boss to hold his hand and to talk him out of these dumb moves.

Blob loved the trade Calgary made for Hamonic

No I didnt

You didn’t hate it

I said it was a steep price

You didn’t hate the trade

Regardless of how we feel and the trade, spending a few minutes on YouTube watching some of his highlights gotta get you pumped thinking about him in the lineup....

Take care

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:45 am

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:37 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:32 am I guess we could just go on losing like your Buffalos and Edmonton’s and Arizona’s for decades in the name of draft picks that are not guaranteed.

And yet youll endlessly flog the dead horse of gillis selling picks off for help when they were an actual contender...

Gillis was a terrible GM. Benning isn’t. Big difference

True...but his team was a contender when he was acquiring talent for picks. Bennings team is not

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:28 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:11 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:02 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:56 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:46 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:44 am This is where an experienced President of Hockey Operations would come in handy. Elmer needs a boss to hold his hand and to talk him out of these dumb moves.

Blob loved the trade Calgary made for Hamonic

No I didnt

You didn’t hate it

I said it was a steep price

You didn’t hate the trade

I didn’t like it

Canucks could still be a lottery team in 2020, which is fine. Tampa can have the 2021.

At the start of the 2020-21 season you’ll be seeing faces like Juolevi, Madden, Lockwood, Woo, Tryamkin, Podkozlin, DiPietro, Hoglander, Gadjovich, Lind around town by then. Horvat, Hughes, Boeser, Pettersson, Virtanen, Gaudette, Demko, Miller will be in their prime. The team will be set for Lord Stanley! Great job Benning

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:33 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:28 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:11 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:02 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:56 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:46 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:44 am This is where an experienced President of Hockey Operations would come in handy. Elmer needs a boss to hold his hand and to talk him out of these dumb moves.

Blob loved the trade Calgary made for Hamonic

No I didnt

You didn’t hate it

I said it was a steep price

You didn’t hate the trade

I didn’t like it

You didn’t tear Calgary a new one for giving up an “unprotected” lottery pick and two seconds for your “stud” Hamonic.

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:34 am Canucks could still be a lottery team in 2020, which is fine. Tampa can have the 2021.

At the start of the 2020-21 season you’ll be seeing faces like Juolevi, Madden, Lockwood, Woo, Tryamkin, Podkozlin, DiPietro, Hoglander, Gadjovich, Lind around town by then. Horvat, Hughes, Boeser, Pettersson, Virtanen, Gaudette, Demko, Miller will be in their prime. The team will be set for Lord Stanley! Great job Benning

What if pettersson goes down early? What if the team stumbles 2 years in a row?

Thatll be bennings head plus an assload of fan support if tampon gleans our lottery winning pick.

I get the justification for using a 1st rounder at a critical time but i just dont think Miller is an asset worthy of this risk.

Please let me be wrong

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:33 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:45 am

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:37 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:32 am I guess we could just go on losing like your Buffalos and Edmonton’s and Arizona’s for decades in the name of draft picks that are not guaranteed.

And yet youll endlessly flog the dead horse of gillis selling picks off for help when they were an actual contender...

Gillis was a terrible GM. Benning isn’t. Big difference

True...but his team was a contender when he was acquiring talent for picks. Bennings team is not

Two polar opposite situations - Gillis inherited a “ great”situation, and failed miserably. Benning inherited a terrific mess that is currently/still work in progress

Did you know that the Canucks rank 29th overall in the league for the years Gillis drafted. A stat on the success ratio of draft picks making it

The Penguins at the same ranked as one of the best in the league even though they were as good if not better in the standings at the same time as the Gillis years. Why was Pittsburgh able to draft with success and Gillis not?

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:39 am

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:33 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:45 am

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:37 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:32 am I guess we could just go on losing like your Buffalos and Edmonton’s and Arizona’s for decades in the name of draft picks that are not guaranteed.

And yet youll endlessly flog the dead horse of gillis selling picks off for help when they were an actual contender...

Gillis was a terrible GM. Benning isn’t. Big difference

True...but his team was a contender when he was acquiring talent for picks. Bennings team is not

Two polar opposite situations - Gillis inherited a “ great”situation, and failed miserably. Benning inherited a terrific mess that is currently/still work in progress

How we got here and gillis got to where he was when he traded futures for depth is irrelevant in the context of this discussion and you know it.

One was a contender, one is not.

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:41 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:39 am

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:33 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:45 am

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:37 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:32 am I guess we could just go on losing like your Buffalos and Edmonton’s and Arizona’s for decades in the name of draft picks that are not guaranteed.

And yet youll endlessly flog the dead horse of gillis selling picks off for help when they were an actual contender...

Gillis was a terrible GM. Benning isn’t. Big difference

True...but his team was a contender when he was acquiring talent for picks. Bennings team is not

Two polar opposite situations - Gillis inherited a “ great”situation, and failed miserably. Benning inherited a terrific mess that is currently/still work in progress

How we got here and gillis got to where he was when he traded futures for depth is irrelevant in the context of this discussion and you know it.

One was a contender, one is not.

Gillis was gift wrapped a glorious situation and shit fucked it for the next GM. I got news for you, he didn’t win the Cup and was horrendous in trying to get back there when all his peers at the time got back there many times. He is without question a horrible hockey man

Hopefully Ignitowski doesn’t hamstring the team further July 1 with a few more Eriksson or Sutter type millstones. The price for Miller was too much and it’s a shitty trade but at least Miller is on a decent contract.

Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:02 am With Callahan on permanent LTIR, Tampa isn't up against the cap like everyone seems to think.

Brisebois seemed to think they were "up against the cap" and made the move to clear cap space:

"Eventually we were going to have to unload some players and unfortunately today was one of those days. We had to create some cap space and Miller ended up being the player moved to make that cap space."


Tampa not having any cap issues is a nice narrative though to try to justify the overpayment. Just not true.

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:43 am

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:41 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:39 am

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:33 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:45 am

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:37 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:32 am I guess we could just go on losing like your Buffalos and Edmonton’s and Arizona’s for decades in the name of draft picks that are not guaranteed.

And yet youll endlessly flog the dead horse of gillis selling picks off for help when they were an actual contender...

Gillis was a terrible GM. Benning isn’t. Big difference

True...but his team was a contender when he was acquiring talent for picks. Bennings team is not

Two polar opposite situations - Gillis inherited a “ great”situation, and failed miserably. Benning inherited a terrific mess that is currently/still work in progress

How we got here and gillis got to where he was when he traded futures for depth is irrelevant in the context of this discussion and you know it.

One was a contender, one is not.

Gillis was gift wrapped a glorious situation and shit fucked it for the next GM. I got news for you, he didn’t win the Cup and was horrendous in trying to get back there when all his peers at the time got back there many times. He is without question a horrible hockey man

Yes he was horrible but like it or not his team was a contender that came with a Luongo meltdown or 3 from a cup in game 7. His team couldve won it and he made key moves at key times to put them in that position.

Drawing a comparison to these 2 situations to justify an overpayment by a lottery team simply isnt justified

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:54 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:43 am

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:41 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:39 am

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:33 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:45 am

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:37 am

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:32 am I guess we could just go on losing like your Buffalos and Edmonton’s and Arizona’s for decades in the name of draft picks that are not guaranteed.

And yet youll endlessly flog the dead horse of gillis selling picks off for help when they were an actual contender...

Gillis was a terrible GM. Benning isn’t. Big difference

True...but his team was a contender when he was acquiring talent for picks. Bennings team is not

Two polar opposite situations - Gillis inherited a “ great”situation, and failed miserably. Benning inherited a terrific mess that is currently/still work in progress

How we got here and gillis got to where he was when he traded futures for depth is irrelevant in the context of this discussion and you know it.

One was a contender, one is not.

Gillis was gift wrapped a glorious situation and shit fucked it for the next GM. I got news for you, he didn’t win the Cup and was horrendous in trying to get back there when all his peers at the time got back there many times. He is without question a horrible hockey man

Yes he was horrible but like it or not his team was a contender that came with a Luongo meltdown or 3 from a cup in game 7. His team couldve won it and he made key moves at key times to put them in that position.

Drawing a comparison to these 2 situations to justify an overpayment by a lottery team simply isnt justified

#itsallgillisfault

RD blames WWII on Gillis as well.