Re-booted SKYO approved pipe dreams and trade ideas

[Chef Boi RD]

EP to LA to replace Kopitar.

.....a novel concept.

Did you mention this in a past post, Donny. I’m sorry I’m not as available to read all posts past and present. You seem very sensitive regarding this, lol.

I think I need to as disclaimer to all my posts - “plesse excuse this post if it is a repeat of previous post by another poster that I may have missed reading, it is not meant to offend the original post”.

[Chef Boi RD]

Good call rikster, oh no EP didn’t attend a dinner. Front page news.

EP was at the heart of all the drama, therefore party to it. I’d rather we remove all those associated with the toxicity that impacted the room negatively. Petey’s presence is still representative of those dark days.

[UWSaint]

I think they'll give EP40 the full season before deciding on whether to trade him or not.

Hmm. I've wondered whether EP40's mysterious injury is don't-damage=the-goods trade related.

I don't want EP40 turned into Tuch. Its not that I mind Tuch, but why would the Canucks be getting older?

I also think EP40 is a better player, and if he can complete the golf swing fix, its a player the Canucks will want to have. If he moves, any older players with salary taken on should be the cost of salary balancing with the actual assets being younger/future and comprising the rest of the trade. (Which was absolutely Chytil's role in the Miller trade, which is best thought of as a 1st and the Rangers top near NHL-ready RD prospect. Chytil not old in years, of course, but he's old everywhere else, and he was there to make the books balance and give the Canucks a player who played a position the Canucks needed a player to play -- with the added benefit of a small chance to be healthy and productive. This was also Beau2's role in the Horvat trade, but with a greater chance of health and a lesser benefit if everything went well).

Last comment, I think all of this stuff about EP40s offseason training regiment (or lack of) being the thing that destroyed the team is just clickbait and controversy. To be sure, if a guy isn't treating the summer seriously, it is going to affect his performance, and a negative impact on his performance will affect the team. But there was some article circulated that said "now we know Miller wasn't the problem." Give me a break. We saw the guy implode before our eyes. Not saying EP40 isn't a contributor to the destruction with his alleged attitude and lackluster performance, but I've said it before, Miller's reaction/behavior is not how a stable person reacts to a co-worker sluffing, and Miller's on ice play sucked -- because Petey was out of shape? It makes no sense.

And the article (no quoted source, IIRC) saying Hughes was upset that EP40 didn't train with him. I was too, but less for the training and more for the benefit of EP40 showing a commitment to QH and the Canucks and maybe mending whatever was broken. But EP40 came back physically stronger -- he did something difference this offseason -- and its having a positive impact on his game (which I personally didn't expect).

Point is, we are all pissed about EP40s regression; some are optimistic a corner's been turned. But the gossip confirming those with the dimmest views of EP40 is just commentators doing their Stephen A. Smith BS. EP40 is, at the end of the day, a hockey player -- one who everyone thinks the Canucks need to sell low on. I don't buy that. To be sure, I'm all for selling smart if there's a good deal to be had (and maybe there is one with the Kings). But I wouldn't move him to move him.

[BoS]

I’ve been driving the Pettersson for McTavish train for some time now, and I’m sticking to it.

Van needs a top 6 centre/core player back. Eat salary if they have to, just get rid of that mess and move on from yesterdays failed core ASAP.

[rikster]

Good call rikster, oh no EP didn’t attend a dinner. Front page news.

EP was at the heart of all the drama, therefore party to it. I’d rather we remove all those associated with the toxicity that impacted the room negatively. Petey’s presence is still representative of those dark days.

Really, if you went over the roster of every team who has a bunch of multimillionare kids playing on it, do you not think that you could create drama if that was the way you see life?

In Vancouver we have an odd duck to create drama over while in Ottawa they had a couple of young and immature multimillionares getting caught talking smack about their coach in a taxi and they survived without shipping them out of town....

He's our best player playing on a reasonable, about to become value contract and we haven't a replacement in the system ...

Is the goal to push him to the point that he pulls a Quitter Hughes and tells managment No Mas , I want out of here?

[Chef Boi RD]

I’ve been driving the Pettersson for McTavish train for some time now, and I’m sticking to it.

Van needs a top 6 centre/core player back. Eat salary if they have to, just get rid of that mess and move on from yesterdays failed core ASAP.

I’d love MacT as well but I don’t see that happening from Anaheim’s standpoint

[Megaterio Llamas]

Look for this individual to potentially wind up working for Rutherford here in some capacity, given Rutherford's background with the Karmanos family.

[dangler]

Last comment, I think all of this stuff about EP40s offseason training regiment (or lack of) being the thing that destroyed the team is just clickbait and controversy. To be sure, if a guy isn't treating the summer seriously, it is going to affect his performance, and a negative impact on his performance will affect the team. But there was some article circulated that said "now we know Miller wasn't the problem." Give me a break. We saw the guy implode before our eyes. Not saying EP40 isn't a contributor to the destruction with his alleged attitude and lackluster performance, but I've said it before, Miller's reaction/behavior is not how a stable person reacts to a co-worker sluffing, and Miller's on ice play sucked -- because Petey was out of shape? It makes no sense.

I suspect EPs contract created some wage animosity as well and was a contributing factor.
They rewarded him for a half season of piss-poor play with a huge AAV

[Meds]

Riksters post.....

Can't make this stuff up....

Sometimes the information is just mashed up and spit out in a jumble because nobody (outside of the locker room) knows the truth.....and those inside won't say anything about it (at least not for a few years). So you have to read between the lines and put it together based upon the observable things like on-ice play, off-ice comments, and decisions like Hughes opting to leave.

The timeline Rutherford gave in his post-trade availability.....18 months ago he was aware that Quinn might not be open to re-signing in Vancouver.

That is right in the middle of Pettersson's decline, the escalation of tensions between Petey and the media, certainly JT was not unaffected at that point, trade speculation surrounding Pettersson, and then boom. No trade. Extension signed at a head-scratcher of a deal. I would venture to say that things went off the rails when it came to any team cohesiveness surrounding Pettersson when he was a complete no-show for the playoffs and then announces knee tendinitis as a reason for his poor performance during his post-season media availability.....and management, coaching staff, and teammates, are all doing a WTF? Everything went completely in the shitter when he came into camp having put in minimal work over the summer. The rest is history. But you aren't going to win the hearts of many teammates when you snub $10M per, then get $11.6M and show up not ready to go.

I find it interesting the report about Hughes being a supporter for him. That would have been more encouraging to have heard a year ago.

Based on the reports I've read, NOBODY on the team has been enamoured with Pettersson's work-ethic when it comes to physical preparation, particularly in the off-seasons. It's fairly well established at this point that that was a problem almost every year, and it is more than safe to say that it finally came to a head at training camp for the 2024-25 season (Millerssongate ensued).

Reports also say that Hughes was one of Pettersson's biggest supporters during and after Millerssongate.

“Certainly for a long time the two were close,” Johnston wrote. “Sources who know them say Hughes played a big role in supporting Pettersson last season when things were well and truly falling apart between the centre and J.T. Miller.”

And reports also backup that Petey did put work in this past summer. However, I don't think many of us have seen much impact from that to his play on the ice. Yes, his PPG numbers are up from 0.68 to 0.78 (last year to this season), but that's not really enough considering his cap hit.....and now he's on IR again. His defensive game and face-offs also have improved, the latter more than the former as last season we all saw his IQ at work south of the center-ice and knew what he was capable of there.

I don't think there was much of a bromance anywhere there to begin with. Hughes isn't the warmest and fuzziest of personalities. He often looks like he's just taken a dose of quetiapine (Seoquel). A hockey nerd? Astute description. Buium's first post-game interview after the trade was a breath of fresh air compared to listening to Hughes.

I also wouldn't be surprised to hear that Pettersson doesn't have a close friend on the entire team.....I'd be shocked if he had many close friends at all. He seems like the type that prefers to be a loner and keeps his circle small. Not an indictment, just an observation.

No teammates showing up for EP's wedding.....not the end of the world, but it is a bit strange considering precedent set by many players on many teams when one of their current (or former) teammates ties the knot during the off-season.

If there is rot in all of this, it surrounds Pettersson.....and I don't say that in a way to throw shade on the person. I direct that to his contract - the AAV, the timing of the signing, the decision by management to force the issue when they did, the failure of management to consider the impact and message that sent to the rest of the team, the selfish nature of all humans and the spillover that has in situations like this.

I don't think Hughes "quit" on the Canucks. I think he is a marquis talent that controls his own future and earned his opportunity to decide his own future. I think that he looked at the direction the team was headed, and saw that even with a rising salary cap, it would be hard to build a true contender here if Pettersson did not return to being the 100 point 1C that he was 3 seasons ago because of his salary. If that report of him supporting EP is true, and I don't doubt it was, and after 12 months of support he's still seeing more of the same, he's gonna go. I bet that if Boeser, Garland, and Demko, were in negotiations for their extensions right now, that they would all be looking elsewhere too. Not because of the person. Because of the situation.

I don't say trade Pettersson because of the player/person at this point, I say trade him to wipe the slate and commit to the rebuild. I also say, flush JR/PA and their crew. If possible I would prefer ownership flush the team to someone else entirely and let this thing be a true rebuild right from the bedrock.

[2Fingers]

I don't say trade Pettersson because of the player/person at this point, I say trade him to wipe the slate and commit to the rebuild. I also say, flush JR/PA and their crew. If possible I would prefer ownership flush the team to someone else entirely and let this thing be a true rebuild right from the bedrock.

I am an EP fan but I agree with the above statement 100%, just tired reading about this week after week.

Every time I see JR I expect him to break out in a Benny Hill episode.

[Meds]

Good call rikster, oh no EP didn’t attend a dinner. Front page news.

EP was at the heart of all the drama, therefore party to it. I’d rather we remove all those associated with the toxicity that impacted the room negatively. Petey’s presence is still representative of those dark days.

Really, if you went over the roster of every team who has a bunch of multimillionare kids playing on it, do you not think that you could create drama if that was the way you see life?

In Vancouver we have an odd duck to create drama over while in Ottawa they had a couple of young and immature multimillionares getting caught talking smack about their coach in a taxi and they survived without shipping them out of town....

He's our best player playing on a reasonable, about to become value contract and we haven't a replacement in the system ...

Is the goal to push him to the point that he pulls a Quitter Hughes and tells managment No Mas , I want out of here?

Find me a player who said no to an offer that put him in the top 10 highest paid players of all time, and waited until they made him the 5th highest paid player instead, who then wilted as hard as he did, and who had a track record showing a lack of commitment to off-season preparation.

I don't care how mature/immature a person is. When you are dealing with a collection of alpha personalities who are allegedly only there to win, and they all know that winning requires the entire team, and that the quality of that team is directly impacted by the AAV space each of them consume from the overall salary cap, there is a collective expectation to perform up to your salary.....and there will only be so much patience had with one another when winning fails to happen and improvement is dependent upon either the individuals stepping it up or other individuals being added.

People are people.

[Picker of Cherries]

I have no problem with the way Petey has played this season. Not his peak, but quite good at both ends of the ice. He was not good from the all star break two season ago up till the start of this season. I don’t know why. Injury, club house conflict, conditioning. your guess is as good as mine. I don’t see another centre who can take his place. Top six centres are not easy to find. Rossi and Cootes as top six centres is not better than Petey and Rossi. He’s signed and doing better. Might as well see how it goes instead of selling cheap. Much more important to get a return for pending UFAs than Petey.

[rikster]

Riksters post.....

Can't make this stuff up....

Sometimes the information is just mashed up and spit out in a jumble because nobody (outside of the locker room) knows the truth.....and those inside won't say anything about it (at least not for a few years). So you have to read between the lines and put it together based upon the observable things like on-ice play, off-ice comments, and decisions like Hughes opting to leave.

The timeline Rutherford gave in his post-trade availability.....18 months ago he was aware that Quinn might not be open to re-signing in Vancouver.

That is right in the middle of Pettersson's decline, the escalation of tensions between Petey and the media, certainly JT was not unaffected at that point, trade speculation surrounding Pettersson, and then boom. No trade. Extension signed at a head-scratcher of a deal. I would venture to say that things went off the rails when it came to any team cohesiveness surrounding Pettersson when he was a complete no-show for the playoffs and then announces knee tendinitis as a reason for his poor performance during his post-season media availability.....and management, coaching staff, and teammates, are all doing a WTF? Everything went completely in the shitter when he came into camp having put in minimal work over the summer. The rest is history. But you aren't going to win the hearts of many teammates when you snub $10M per, then get $11.6M and show up not ready to go.

I find it interesting the report about Hughes being a supporter for him. That would have been more encouraging to have heard a year ago.

1.Based on the reports I've read, NOBODY on the team has been enamoured with Pettersson's work-ethic when it comes to physical preparation, particularly in the off-seasons.

It's fairly well established at this point that that was a problem almost every year, and it is more than safe to say that it finally came to a head at training camp for the 2024-25 season (Millerssongate ensued).

Reports also say that Hughes was one of Pettersson's biggest supporters during and after Millerssongate.

“Certainly for a long time the two were close,” Johnston wrote. “Sources who know them say Hughes played a big role in supporting Pettersson last season when things were well and truly falling apart between the centre and J.T. Miller.”

2.And reports also backup that Petey did put work in this past summer. However, I don't think many of us have seen much impact from that to his play on the ice. Yes, his PPG numbers are up from 0.68 to 0.78 (last year to this season), but that's not really enough considering his cap hit.....and now he's on IR again. His defensive game and face-offs also have improved, the latter more than the former as last season we all saw his IQ at work south of the center-ice and knew what he was capable of there.

I don't think there was much of a bromance anywhere there to begin with. Hughes isn't the warmest and fuzziest of personalities. He often looks like he's just taken a dose of quetiapine (Seoquel). A hockey nerd? Astute description. Buium's first post-game interview after the trade was a breath of fresh air compared to listening to Hughes.

3. I also wouldn't be surprised to hear that Pettersson doesn't have a close friend on the entire team.....I'd be shocked if he had many close friends at all. He seems like the type that prefers to be a loner and keeps his circle small. Not an indictment, just an observation.

4. No teammates showing up for EP's wedding.....not the end of the world, but it is a bit strange considering precedent set by many players on many teams when one of their current (or former) teammates ties the knot during the off-season.

If there is rot in all of this, it surrounds Pettersson.....and I don't say that in a way to throw shade on the person. I direct that to his contract - the AAV, the timing of the signing, the decision by management to force the issue when they did, the failure of management to consider the impact and message that sent to the rest of the team, the selfish nature of all humans and the spillover that has in situations like this.

I don't think Hughes "quit" on the Canucks. I think he is a marquis talent that controls his own future and earned his opportunity to decide his own future. I think that he looked at the direction the team was headed, and saw that even with a rising salary cap, it would be hard to build a true contender here if Pettersson did not return to being the 100 point 1C that he was 3 seasons ago because of his salary. If that report of him supporting EP is true, and I don't doubt it was, and after 12 months of support he's still seeing more of the same, he's gonna go. I bet that if Boeser, Garland, and Demko, were in negotiations for their extensions right now, that they would all be looking elsewhere too. Not because of the person. Because of the situation.

5. I don't say trade Pettersson because of the player/person at this point, I say trade him to wipe the slate and commit to the rebuild. I also say, flush JR/PA and their crew. If possible I would prefer ownership flush the team to someone else entirely and let this thing be a true rebuild right from the bedrock.

1. Who was unhappy with his off season training 2 years ago and what was the extent of the injury he was dealing with?...

2. Your bias is shining thru, given the state of the team before the trade and the way he performed I would suggest that he has become more valuable around the league...

3. Given that only 4 teamates showed up for his going away get together, maybe it's Quitter Hughes who had issues getting along with teamates?

4. First off, you have to be invited to the wedding and because the couple wanted it to be small and very private how do you know who did or didn't attend?

Or are you suggesting that teamates were invited and didn't show?

5. You would trade a #1 centre entering the prime of his career to wipe the slate and start your defination of a rebuild? And the mangement team which just handled a bonafide crisis and turned it into a major haul and who are being complimented around the league as well?

Ok..............................................

[Meds]

Riksters post.

Ok. I tried to engage with an actual civil conversation.

But your continual condescending tone continues to shine right through louder than any bias.

I tried. I really did. But you are clearly an individual who isn't worth conversing with. Back on the list you go.

[Hockey Widow]

I have no problem with the way Petey has played this season. Not his peak, but quite good at both ends of the ice. He was not good from the all star break two season ago up till the start of this season. I don’t know why. Injury, club house conflict, conditioning. your guess is as good as mine. I don’t see another centre who can take his place. Top six centres are not easy to find. Rossi and Cootes as top six centres is not better than Petey and Rossi. He’s signed and doing better. Might as well see how it goes instead of selling cheap. Much more important to get a return for pending UFAs than Petey.

I agree with this. At one point he led all forwards in blocked shots. His defensive game is sound. Unfortunately he is paid 11.6 to score. He is close a point per game. I’m up and down like a toilet seat on this one.