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[ukcanuck]

60 billion dollar trade deficit between the 2 countries. I would say trump has some leeway there...

That 60 billion goes right into the pockets of American corporations and shareholders. They ain't going to build no wall with it.

It just means that the US buys 60 billion more from Mexico than Mexico buys from the US.... trade deficit thus they can add a tarif to Mexican product, that tariff is where the money will come from. Problem with that is the American consumer still ends up paying for it.

Mexico exports more fords and kelvinators to the US than vice versa and that is a trade imbalance caused by Ford and AC Delco etc

That Mexico exports more refried beans and tequila isn't a trade imbalance

But either way you are right the American middle class and tequila drinkers are going to pay for it.


But I'm on record here and now

There will never be a Berlin style wall across the US/Mexico border.

[Island Nucklehead]

Well I guess we know where Trump gets his material from. Turns out it's the MSM.

Trump dubbed former Army intelligence official Chelsea Manning an "ungrateful traitor" who Trump said made former President Barack Obama look like a "weak leader." The tweet came just minutes after "Fox & Friends Early" ran a segment characterizing Manning in those exact terms.

Trump threatened on Twitter to "send in the feds" to Chicago. He used the same crime statistics and language from an "O'Reilly Factor" segment about the topic slightly after it aired.

Many top policymakers have taken notice of Trump's viewership habits. They have even attempted to get their message to the president via his favorite TV programs.

Most Trump voters are fucking retards. The Donald knows this, and is playing them like a fiddle.

[Per]

60 billion dollar trade deficit between the 2 countries. I would say trump has some leeway there...

That 60 billion goes right into the pockets of American corporations and shareholders. They ain't going to build no wall with it.

It just means that the US buys 60 billion more from Mexico than Mexico buys from the US.... trade deficit thus they can add a tarif to Mexican product, that tariff is where the money will come from. Problem with that is the American consumer still ends up paying for it.

Exactly. A tarif on foreign products may in the short term benefit domestic companies, but the consumers are screwed from day one, as the products they buy become more expensive. In the long term it also hurts the domestic companies, because they tend to get lazy behind their protective wall; they lose competitive edge, and so they start losing market shares. First abroad, but eventually, when their products have become so inferior that the consumers don't mind paying more for the foreign products, even at home.

History shows that the countries that embrace free market values always do better than those that embrace protectionism. The difference in prosperity between North and South Korea is a great example.

[Per]

60 billion dollar trade deficit between the 2 countries. I would say trump has some leeway there...

So, you mean, the bigger wealthier country buys more from the smaller poorer country than vice versa?

Well, shucks darn! Who would have thought such a thing.

[Mickey107]

60 billion dollar trade deficit between the 2 countries. I would say trump has some leeway there...

So, you mean, the bigger wealthier country buys more from the smaller poorer country than vice versa?

Well, shucks darn! Who would have thought such a thing.

Sounds like China and the rest of the poor world!

[Per]

60 billion dollar trade deficit between the 2 countries. I would say trump has some leeway there...

So, you mean, the bigger wealthier country buys more from the smaller poorer country than vice versa?

Well, shucks darn! Who would have thought such a thing.

Sounds like China and the rest of the poor world!

Yeah, well, even if the US only has 300 million people, compared to the 500 million of the EU or 1.4 billion of China, in the world of economics, America is still number one.

The GDP of the USA is a little more than USD 18 trillion.
The GDP of China is a little more than USD 11 trillion.
The GDP of the European Union is somewhere between USD 16 and 18 trillion, depending on exchange rates.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... _(nominal)

So, yeah, when we are talking trade, the USA is still the bigger wealthier country, even when compared with China. And you know a funny thing? People with a lot of money tend to have more money to spend than people with less money. It's not rocket science.

But here's the beauty of it; when rich nations trade with poor nations, the poor nations get richer, which means they gradually start buying more stuff from the rich countries as well. It's a win win situation.

For the past five years car sales have been higher in China than in the USA.
And guess who benefits from that.... http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-car-exp ... 1423174695

In 2014, U.S. exports to China were over ten times higher (307,425) than they were in 2009 when the United States exported 25,065 vehicles to China This has been a rapid ascent for manufacturers in the United States given that exports to China were less than 1,000 units as recently as 2003. While many international automakers established plants in China to help meet the demands of this large and growing market (the largest in the world), it is clear from these trends that there remains an interest in U.S.-made vehicles in China.

http://www.trade.gov/td/otm/assets/auto ... er2015.pdf

Because China has been able to build up a well functioning export industry, more and more Chinese are reaching a level of wealth where they can afford buying a car, and many of them prefer to buy an imported car, to show their neighbours how successful they are. A trade war with China would be disastrous for the American auto industry.

[Mickey107]

GDP is misleading. It does not differentiate between raw product and finished product.
Also; A car could be sold to a country but 80% of that car's components were actually made somewhere else.

We will never agree on this, I know.

Let's put it this way: If ever a time comes when the percentage of finished product, from one country, reaches so high a level that the rest of the world is dependent on that country to an irreversible point.

You know what time that is?

It's when you have to say: Here's the keys to the planet. We are your slaves.

[Strangelove]

Most Trump voters are fucking retards.

Yup, dey be fucking Dem retards reeeeeal good!

Right up de ole poopchute...

Listen to Dem retards squeal!!

[Island Nucklehead]

[Strangelove]

Here's a guy who gets it...

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/01/ ... think.html

The media is all abuzz, again, about the fact that President Trump spent some time during his televised interview with ABC anchor David Muir pointing out the large size of the crowd in photos of his inauguration. Journalists, who still don’t seem able to understand that Trump is almost always several steps ahead of them, once again are heralding the president’s seeming preoccupation with the issue.

Is the president actually so thin-skinned that he needs the world to acknowledge that a huge number of people turned out to honor him as he was sworn in? Um, no.

So what’s really going on in his mind? Here’s my opinion: Everything Donald Trump does is strategically calculated to achieve a goal. His communication is designed not to simply convey his gut feelings, but to make people focus on one thing — call it a decoy — so he can do six other things while they’re distracted.

In this case, Trump has masterfully used the media’s pathetic naiveté and desire to battle him to make them focus on a throwaway battle — his seeming obsession with crowd size (which I can almost guarantee he could not care less about) — while he determinedly does what he... does... care about: signing orders that resurrect pipeline projects, retooling our broken immigration laws, laying the groundwork for a better health care system and preparing to build the wall.

For journalists who still don’t get it, here it is, again, in direct terms: When Trump says something like “If I were you I would take your camera and look at the size of the crowd,” he is actually saying, “Let’s debate crowd size, again, because otherwise you might ask me questions about my real and historically powerful plans and ideas, which I don’t trust you to report on fairly, anyhow.”

A journalist who might even come close to Trump’s level of strategic communication should then say, “Ah, the old watch this hand while I work magic with my other one? No, we shall not linger an instant on that silly issue my colleagues in the media are focused on. Let’s sit down and talk about the pipelines, again. I don’t want to walk around and snort another line of that drug you know the media is addicted to.”

The drug, by the way, is called taking the easy path of the pithy, sensational, stupid story. And lots of journalists who get paid lots of money seem to be hopelessly hooked on it.

The rest of us, over the next 90 days or eight years, will watch Trump masterfully ignite one squabble after another that the members of the press fall all over themselves to engage in, while he remakes the world.

- Dr. Keith Ablow

Lol, stupid "journalists"...

[ukcanuck]

Here's a guy who gets it...

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/01/ ... think.html

The media is all abuzz, again, about the fact that President Trump spent some time during his televised interview with ABC anchor David Muir pointing out the large size of the crowd in photos of his inauguration. Journalists, who still don’t seem able to understand that Trump is almost always several steps ahead of them, once again are heralding the president’s seeming preoccupation with the issue.

Is the president actually so thin-skinned that he needs the world to acknowledge that a huge number of people turned out to honor him as he was sworn in? Um, no.

So what’s really going on in his mind? Here’s my opinion: Everything Donald Trump does is strategically calculated to achieve a goal. His communication is designed not to simply convey his gut feelings, but to make people focus on one thing — call it a decoy — so he can do six other things while they’re distracted.

In this case, Trump has masterfully used the media’s pathetic naiveté and desire to battle him to make them focus on a throwaway battle — his seeming obsession with crowd size (which I can almost guarantee he could not care less about) — while he determinedly does what he... does... care about: signing orders that resurrect pipeline projects, retooling our broken immigration laws, laying the groundwork for a better health care system and preparing to build the wall.

For journalists who still don’t get it, here it is, again, in direct terms: When Trump says something like “If I were you I would take your camera and look at the size of the crowd,” he is actually saying, “Let’s debate crowd size, again, because otherwise you might ask me questions about my real and historically powerful plans and ideas, which I don’t trust you to report on fairly, anyhow.”

A journalist who might even come close to Trump’s level of strategic communication should then say, “Ah, the old watch this hand while I work magic with my other one? No, we shall not linger an instant on that silly issue my colleagues in the media are focused on. Let’s sit down and talk about the pipelines, again. I don’t want to walk around and snort another line of that drug you know the media is addicted to.”

The drug, by the way, is called taking the easy path of the pithy, sensational, stupid story. And lots of journalists who get paid lots of money seem to be hopelessly hooked on it.

The rest of us, over the next 90 days or eight years, will watch Trump masterfully ignite one squabble after another that the members of the press fall all over themselves to engage in, while he remakes the world.

- Dr. Keith Ablow

Lol, stupid "journalists"...

I'm sure there are stupid voters who are still gloriously having a go at the inauguration attendance debate but most of the rest of the world have not missed all of the presidential orders and moves trump has made. He's doing exactly what he said he was going to do. You would have to be blind deef and titanically stupid to miss it.

[Per]

So much for “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

[Topper]

All those celebrities who vowed they would leave America if Trump got in... dirtay liars!

They wintered in North Dakota

[Topper]

So much for “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

A gift from France.

Nothing wrong with slowing down the immigration process to ensure proper checks are being conducted. I had a chuckle when someone suggest that it was unconstitutional discrimination. Discrimination against who? People who are not in the US. How do they have constitutional rights?

Merkel is jealous.

[Per]

So much for “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

A gift from France.

Nothing wrong with slowing down the immigration process to ensure proper checks are being conducted. I had a chuckle when someone suggest that it was unconstitutional discrimination. Discrimination against who? People who are not in the US. How do they have constitutional rights?

Merkel is jealous.

They're not just "slowing down the immigration process" though.
They're fucking with people's lives. Real people. Real lives.

Already read about an Iraqi guy who has worked ten years for the US military in Iraq, now he is moving to the USA, all papers in order, arrives at JFK and is told to take the next flight back to Iraq... and an Iranian girl studying at UCLA who went home to see her parents; now they won't let her back into the USA, where she lives!

Must be thousands of cases like that. You can't change the rules overnight.
At least not in a civilised country, adhering to the concept of rule of law.

If you stop issuing visas is one thing. But people who have applied for visas, have been granted visas, have all papers in order, and have already landed on American soil...? Sheesh! I consider that a breach of contract.