Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:39 am
I’m talking acquiringvthem in any way possible. The team has three competent d men on the roster. He brought in none of them. In five years.
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Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:41 am
Anyway possible? He drafted Hughes, Woo, Tryamkin, Juolevi, Rathbone, Brisebios in those 5 years you speak of. Does the plan full stop NOW?! Book written? The team is rebuilding aren’t they?Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:39 amI’m talking acquiringvthem in any way possible. The team has three competent d men on the roster. He brought in none of them. In five years.
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:49 am
He’s been here five years. Not one of those guys is a sure bet to be good. Most of them won’t be. Why can he only bring in scrubs via free agency or trade?RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:41 amAnyway possible? He drafted Hughes, Woo, Tryamkin, Juolevi, Rathbone, Brisebios in those 5 years you speak of. Does the plan full stop NOW?! Book written? The team is rebuilding aren’t they?Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:39 amI’m talking acquiringvthem in any way possible. The team has three competent d men on the roster. He brought in none of them. In five years.
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:55 am
Blob, you’re on the Pro Tank Rebuild Plan, hence your desire to tank for the 2019 draft. You’re now talking out of your ass. Pick one, are you pro-rebuild or not? If you are, then you should be tipping your hat to Elmer for drafting D-men with strong potential like he has been. If he wasn’t I’d have your back on this oneBlob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:49 amHe’s been here five years. Not one of those guys is a sure bet to be good. Most of them won’t be. Why can he only bring in scrubs via free agency or trade?RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:41 amAnyway possible? He drafted Hughes, Woo, Tryamkin, Juolevi, Rathbone, Brisebios in those 5 years you speak of. Does the plan full stop NOW?! Book written? The team is rebuilding aren’t they?Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:39 amI’m talking acquiringvthem in any way possible. The team has three competent d men on the roster. He brought in none of them. In five years.
Rebuild or win now? What are you? If you are “win now” then you have a very strong case
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:06 am
It’s irrelevant and obviously I have wanted a rebuild for many years. That doesn’t mean you can’t trade for or sign a good defenceman. Rebuilds are completed over a period of many years. This team is in the middle of one. During a rebuild it isn’t a crime to acquire good players.
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:18 am
Re: The Great Travis Green Debate!
Fire him!!! Before he messes up everyone's brain.
Fire him!!! Before he messes up everyone's brain.
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:28 am
If you mean legit top 4 guy regardless of who he plays with, then I certainly can't argue with that. I think Gudbranson is better than you give him credit for, and he is an adequate #4 if he's paired with the right person. That will probably change (already is changing) as the league is getting faster and he gets walked to the outside too easily. In an ideal world he looks more and more like a #5.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:30 amCertainly they didn’t win any cups. Not going there re 2011. Point is Elmer hasn’t brought in a legit top 4 guy in five years at the helm - full stop.Mëds wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:20 amYup, and we won a ton of Cups with those team driving D corps.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:11 am The Canucks had a good defence for fifteen years despite not having a true #1 guy.
From Pat Quinn to Mike Keenan to Brian Burke to the Cheeseburgular to Eye Bags they brought in quality defencemen because they understood that’s what drives the team. Whether they drafted them, traded for them or signed them as UFA or college free agents, they got them. Elmer hasn’t grasped this concept yet.
Early 90s - Lumme, Diduck, Babych, Brown
Late 90s - McCabe, Aucoin, Jovanovski, Ohlund
Early 2000s- Jovo, Ohlund, Salo, Sopel, Malik
Cheeseburgular- Mitchell, Ohlund, Salo, Bieksa
Eye Bags- Hamhuis, Ehrhoff, Bieksa, Edler, Tanev
Sorry Blobcat, this time I gotta disagree with you. Understanding that you need a good D core is one thing, but it doesn't drive the team quite the same as having a legit stud. As much as I think SKYO has his head up his ass in some EA Sports fantasy universe most of the time, he's right about the vast majority of Cup winners over the last decade plus having a legit top D man.
Icing a back end with a top Dman and solid 2 and 3 but shoehorning in 3 5/6 guys for the rest will get you more than having a #2 and 5 guys that are 3 or 4.....providing you stay healthy.
But this defence has three guys or four guys on it that belong in the AHL . They have two pretty good guys that are injured a ton and a couple bottom pairing guys in Hutton and Gudbranson. Obviously they need a stud but these guys are never available. I’d look at trading Boeser for a young legit top pairing all situations guy in the summer or even in season.
You would trade Boeser? I'm curious to hear you reason why if it's anything beyond him looking to be a 50-60 game player.
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:37 am
With this crop of good young defencemen Benning has been piling up through the draft and on the cusp or not too far away from making the jump, Blob is trading Boeser for a top 4 legitimate D-man all the while he is preaching patience and rebuild. Sh-ite, Muslim, Blobbee you’re all over the map, Jabrone.
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:42 am
I said young top pairing guy. Try to keep upRoyalDude wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:37 am With this crop of good young defencemen Benning has been piling up through the draft and on the cusp or not too far away from making the jump, Blob is trading Boeser for a top 4 legitimate D-man all the while he is preaching patience and rebuild. Sh-ite, Muslim, Blobbee you’re all over the map, Jabrone.
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:45 am
How many young legitimate top 6 forwards we have after Boeser. Sarcasm aside.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:42 amI said young top pairing guy. Try to keep upRoyalDude wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:37 am With this crop of good young defencemen Benning has been piling up through the draft and on the cusp or not too far away from making the jump, Blob is trading Boeser for a top 4 legitimate D-man all the while he is preaching patience and rebuild. Sh-ite, Muslim, Blobbee you’re all over the map, Jabrone.
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:47 am
Horvat, Petey, 2019 pickRoyalDude wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:45 amHow many young legitimate top 6 forwards we have after Boeser. Sarcasm aside.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:42 amI said young top pairing guy. Try to keep upRoyalDude wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:37 am With this crop of good young defencemen Benning has been piling up through the draft and on the cusp or not too far away from making the jump, Blob is trading Boeser for a top 4 legitimate D-man all the while he is preaching patience and rebuild. Sh-ite, Muslim, Blobbee you’re all over the map, Jabrone.
I have hope for Goldy and Dahlen.
We have zero top pairing d men on the team and maybe one in the system in Hughes it all goes right but he’s built like a jockey
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:45 pm
We have Huges and that is it, Julio is an unknown, the rest are wait and see.RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:37 am With this crop of good young defencemen Benning has been piling up through the draft and on the cusp or not too far away from making the jump, Blob is trading Boeser for a top 4 legitimate D-man all the while he is preaching patience and rebuild. Sh-ite, Muslim, Blobbee you’re all over the map, Jabrone.
For sure there seems to be some pieces but it will be 2+ more years to see how they pan out. Wait does than mean the team is rebuilding?
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:53 pm
What are you going on about Reef?
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:00 pm
RD said we have good young D, I said we have Hughes for sure but after that it is unknown who will make it. So to say that the team is set for D is asinine.
Re: The Great Jim Benning Debate!
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:04 pm