Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:23 pm
The rest of the losers are all Elmer’s
Yeah, but lets look at how long even those guys took to develop!
JB has some decent D picks under his belt Joulevi, Tryamkin, Hughes, Woo even guys like Brisebois and Rathbone could absolutely develop into legit NHL defensemen. the proof is actually in the guys you named, none of them developed into top 4 guys quickly or were drafted near the top of the draft. Where was Tanev picked again?
Patience, traditionally the D take longer to develop. We will find what we need, whether it's by developing or potentially making a move!
Aaronp18 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:21 pm
Patience, traditionally the D take longer to develop. We will find what we need, whether it's by developing or potentially making a move!
Yeah, eventually we will get there. It's not rocket science, and it's not rebuilding retooling on the fly, but drafting and developing has served many teams well, and it's showing well for us thus far.
He was touted as a guy that could sort out our abhorrent draft history, and he's on track to do so. UFA/contracts/trades leave much to be desired.
Jimbro is gettinerdun at the draft table (Jimbro mic drop) let’s leave it at that. He will tighten up his trading skills, trust me.
When Hughes, Woo, DeepyRetro, Lockwood, Madden, Rathbone, Thiessen, Brassard, TRYAMKIN all arrive next season they will be pushing the next wave - Lind, Gadjovich, Dahlen, Juolevi, Brisebios, Demko, McEwen, that’s when you’ll see this team rocket to a whole other Jimbro level. He will make wholesale trades this TDL, load up on picks to excite the home fans at the 2019 draft. Still think Jimbro is gonna make a move on one of Trouba or Myles. The Jets are screwed this summer
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Jets can keep Myers. He’s been the shits. Trouba wouldn’t want any part of playing here. He’s constantly bitching about playing in Winnipeg and they are one of the best teams in the league.
The Canucks had a good defence for fifteen years despite not having a true #1 guy.
From Pat Quinn to Mike Keenan to Brian Burke to the Cheeseburgular to Eye Bags they brought in quality defencemen because they understood that’s what drives the team. Whether they drafted them, traded for them or signed them as UFA or college free agents, they got them. Elmer hasn’t grasped this concept yet.
Early 90s - Lumme, Diduck, Babych, Brown
Late 90s - McCabe, Aucoin, Jovanovski, Ohlund
Early 2000s- Jovo, Ohlund, Salo, Sopel, Malik
Cheeseburgular- Mitchell, Ohlund, Salo, Bieksa
Eye Bags- Hamhuis, Ehrhoff, Bieksa, Edler, Tanev
Elmer- in five years he hasn’t added a good d man in trade or UFA. Has one blue chip prospect and a couple maybes in the system.
The ironic thing is that at the 2016 draft they tried to nab a d man at #5 but let half dozen or more other better players pass by some of which were defensemen. That’s fine and every GM makes poor picks. Mike Gillis almost exclusively did but he also never drafted anywhere near as high. It doesn’t excuse not adding any talent on the back end via trade or UFA in five years.
“I don’t care what you and some other poster were talking about”
Remove those two and replace with - Alberts, Rome, Stanton, Ballard, Gragnani, Kraijcek, Diaz, Oberg, McIver
Genius D bringing in by Gillis
The draft doesn’t end and begin with lottery picks, why are teams like Tampa, Anaheim and Pittsburgh still drafting well all the while finishing at the top of the league. Benning has done very well all over the draft whereas Gillis couldn’t draft his way out of a paper bag
I’ll say it and I’ll say it again, Gillis putrid drafting over 6 drafts royally screwed thus team over for the next decade. No GM in Canuck history has fucked up the health of a teams pipeline as badly as Mike Gillis did and that my friend will be his legacy. All the other GMs previous manged to find gems throughout their drafts, this is Mikes 6 years of drafting legacy today in the NHL
Horvat - by trading a major young goalie asset
Hutton
Connauton
Am I missing some of Mikes picks who are currently in the NHL?
6 years of drafting. There you have it
A team fucked up for the next decade due to historically putrid drafting
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RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:28 am
Gillis brought in Edler and Bieksa?
Remove those two and replace with - Alberts, Rome, Stanton, Ballard, Gragnani, Kraijcek, Diaz, Oberg, McIver
Genius D bringing in by Gillis
The draft doesn’t end and begin with lottery picks, why are teams like Tampa, Anaheim and Pittsburgh still drafting well all the while finishing at the top of the league. Benning has done very well all over the draft whereas Gillis couldn’t draft his way out of a paper bag
I’ll say it and I’ll say it again, Gillis putrid drafting over 6 drafts royally screwed thus team over for the next decade. No GM in Canuck history has fucked up the health of a teams pipeline as badly as Mike Gillis did and that my friend will be his legacy. All the other GMs previous manged to find gems throughout their drafts, this is Mikes 6 years of drafting legacy today in the NHL
Horvat - by trading a major young goalie asset
Hutton
Connauton
Am I missing some of Mikes picks who are currently in the NHL?
6 years of drafting. There you have it
A team fucked up for the next decade due to historically putrid drafting
Thanks Captain Obvious. We all know Eye Bags was a disaster at the draft table. That isn’t the only way to add a quality defenceman. Dan Hamhuis, Christian Ehrhoff, Chris Tanev. Do these names ring a bell? Cheeseburgular managed to get Willie Mitchell to play here. I guess drafting decent defencemen is the only way to acquire them in your world.
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Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:11 am
The Canucks had a good defence for fifteen years despite not having a true #1 guy.
From Pat Quinn to Mike Keenan to Brian Burke to the Cheeseburgular to Eye Bags they brought in quality defencemen because they understood that’s what drives the team. Whether they drafted them, traded for them or signed them as UFA or college free agents, they got them. Elmer hasn’t grasped this concept yet.
Early 90s - Lumme, Diduck, Babych, Brown
Late 90s - McCabe, Aucoin, Jovanovski, Ohlund
Early 2000s- Jovo, Ohlund, Salo, Sopel, Malik
Cheeseburgular- Mitchell, Ohlund, Salo, Bieksa
Eye Bags- Hamhuis, Ehrhoff, Bieksa, Edler, Tanev
Yup, and we won a ton of Cups with those team driving D corps.
Sorry Blobcat, this time I gotta disagree with you. Understanding that you need a good D core is one thing, but it doesn't drive the team quite the same as having a legit stud. As much as I think SKYO has his head up his ass in some EA Sports fantasy universe most of the time, he's right about the vast majority of Cup winners over the last decade plus having a legit top D man.
Icing a back end with a top Dman and solid 2 and 3 but shoehorning in 3 5/6 guys for the rest will get you more than having a #2 and 5 guys that are 3 or 4.....providing you stay healthy.
Somewhere in NW BC trying (yet again) to trade a(nother) Swede…..
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Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:11 am
The Canucks had a good defence for fifteen years despite not having a true #1 guy.
From Pat Quinn to Mike Keenan to Brian Burke to the Cheeseburgular to Eye Bags they brought in quality defencemen because they understood that’s what drives the team. Whether they drafted them, traded for them or signed them as UFA or college free agents, they got them. Elmer hasn’t grasped this concept yet.
Early 90s - Lumme, Diduck, Babych, Brown
Late 90s - McCabe, Aucoin, Jovanovski, Ohlund
Early 2000s- Jovo, Ohlund, Salo, Sopel, Malik
Cheeseburgular- Mitchell, Ohlund, Salo, Bieksa
Eye Bags- Hamhuis, Ehrhoff, Bieksa, Edler, Tanev
Yup, and we won a ton of Cups with those team driving D corps.
Sorry Blobcat, this time I gotta disagree with you. Understanding that you need a good D core is one thing, but it doesn't drive the team quite the same as having a legit stud. As much as I think SKYO has his head up his ass in some EA Sports fantasy universe most of the time, he's right about the vast majority of Cup winners over the last decade plus having a legit top D man.
Icing a back end with a top Dman and solid 2 and 3 but shoehorning in 3 5/6 guys for the rest will get you more than having a #2 and 5 guys that are 3 or 4.....providing you stay healthy.
Certainly they didn’t win any cups. Not going there re 2011. Point is Elmer hasn’t brought in a legit top 4 guy in five years at the helm - full stop.
But this defence has three guys or four guys on it that belong in the AHL . They have two pretty good guys that are injured a ton and a couple bottom pairing guys in Hutton and Gudbranson. Obviously they need a stud but these guys are never available. I’d look at trading Boeser for a young legit top pairing all situations guy in the summer or even in season.
“I don’t care what you and some other poster were talking about”
Or trading for D-men - Gudbranson for 2 goals and 4 assists and 1 goal and 2 assists.?
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Maybe Elmer the best drafter in the history of the NHL picksxthe guys I listed. They also puked in a 4th round pick into the deal
8 other teams in the 2nd round prior to DeSmurfcat (5’-7”) being drafted at 39th, didn’t draft DeSmurfCat, are they Elmer’s too?
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