2026 NHL Draft

[donlever]

Guerin is quoted as stating that he gave TFG'S exactly what they asked for first kick at the can.

It is also reported that the Red Wings offer was better but QH would not sign an extension thus the deal fell apart.

We have no idea what compotent Management (like say Guerin for instance) could have acquired for the asset.

[Madcombinepilot]

Precisely. You can easily get 2 firsts for him now and hopefully same by the time his limited NMC kicks in.

Crazy to pass on that to keep a 28 yo because he's so good for the young uns' he'll keep the shittiest team in the League from being any shittier. Make sense don't it.

we couldnt get 2 firsts for Hughes, we wont get it for FH

Hughes was an asset that an acquiring team only had certainty for 1.5 years, and he was not willing to commit to extending after a trade. Any team acquiring had to have the ability to be flexible enough cap-wise in 2027 to sign a $12M defenseman and also be a competitive roster. If they paid a pair of 1sts, don’t make it to the finals, and then Hughes leaves in free agency, well that’s gonna be a bitter pill.

Had the Canucks been smart, they would have traded him 18 months earlier when he let them know he wasn’t committing and wanted to go back Stateside. Acquiring teams would have had 3 chances, and the subject of a potential extension wouldn’t have been a consideration. He also would have been fresh off a Norris trophy win. The bidding would have started at a pair of 1sts and a prospect.

At the very least he should have been dealt when Miller was moved. They already knew he wasn’t coming back at that point too. He had no trade protection, trade him to the best offer and don’t give two shits about respecting his preferred destinations…..you want out? Ok, you’re out.

TFGs.

I agree with the last part 100%

[UWSaint]

Precisely. You can easily get 2 firsts for him now and hopefully same by the time his limited NMC kicks in.

Crazy to pass on that to keep a 28 yo because he's so good for the young uns' he'll keep the shittiest team in the League from being any shittier. Make sense don't it.

we couldnt get 2 firsts for Hughes, we wont get it for FH

What a strange comment this is. They didn’t get 2 firsts because they got far more.

Coming into last season, Buium was widely seen as between the second and fourth best defenseman prospect in the entire league (Schaeffer consensus #1). Better than Dickinson, Parekh, and all of those semi head scratchers taken before Buium in his draft year or the year before. Buium’s progressed a year, and there’s another year of draftees about to be added into that mix, but there are few d around the league drafted between 2022 & 2025 that consensus is more bullish on. There was no way that the Wild’s 2027 first was worth more. And Buium could return a first (and an high one) easily at the draft table. Teams might rather take their chance with Reid or Carels, and some teams might not want the Buium “type.” But are you telling me that teams about to select Smits somewhere between 6 & 10 wouldn’t trade it for Buium?

Ohgren wasn’t nearly as highly rated, but he was commonly considered a top 100 prospect heading into last year. I don’t think his progression has been pretty good for 19 overall. After the top 13 in that draft, only 3 guys have played more nhl games (and one is EP25) than Ohgren. If one were to do a redraft, he’d probably land in about the same place. To be sure, you might not get a 19th overall pick for Ohgren today, but that’s because teams are hoping for the upside, not that Ohgren isn’t on track to provide what you most reasonably get out of a 19th overall selection. (We know now that his floor is pretty high, but there less hit the ceiling probability). Hard to imagine the Wild’s 2028 is worth more.

Rossi could easily be dealt today for a mid to late first to any team needing a second line center. Guerin’s demand last offseason was a first and a top prospect; he didn’t get that price but there was some interest.

The value of this trade to the Canucks was worth a lot more than 2 firsts because both Rossi and Buium could be flipped, at this draft, for picks at least equivalent value to the next two Wild picks. And the Canucks would still have Ohgren…

[Nuckertuzzi]

Precisely. You can easily get 2 firsts for him now and hopefully same by the time his limited NMC kicks in.

Crazy to pass on that to keep a 28 yo because he's so good for the young uns' he'll keep the shittiest team in the League from being any shittier. Make sense don't it.

we couldnt get 2 firsts for Hughes, we wont get it for FH

I agree it would be difficult to get two 1sts because teams will rarely leave themselves vulnerable giving up back-to-back firsts. Perhaps what I should’ve said was two 1sts in total value.

Quinn basically got four 1sts, and that’s taking the considerations Mëds mentioned into account. Imo he should’ve and easily could’ve gotten more if we traded him at max value.

Let’s go through some deadline deals…

A 35 yo Kadri got back a 1st, a 2nd, and parts.

34 yo Justin Faulk got back a 1st, a 3rd and parts.

36 yo John Carlson got back a 1st and a 3rd.

32 yo Mackenzie Weegar got back three 2nds and parts.

29 yo Rasmus Anderson got back a 1st, a 2nd, and same aged Whitecloud who’s a decent replacement.


Fil is by far better than all the players mentioned after Quinn. You salivate at what he can get based on TDD insanity, easily two 1sts in net value if not more. Right handed No.1/2 D at the prime of their careers are at an absolute premium more than a few teams would sell the farm for.

[Hockey Widow]

Guerin is quoted as stating that he gave TFG'S exactly what they asked for first kick at the can.

It is also reported that the Red Wings offer was better but QH would not sign an extension thus the deal fell apart.

We have no idea what compotent Management (like say Guerin for instance) could have acquired for the asset.

Yes that quote about Guerin glued me. Especially if the Detroit offer was better. I dont know if we could have pried another 2nd for Quinn but I think we could have gotten a 2nd or another prospect. End of the day I dont think there was too much more we could have gotten.

AS to the Detroit deal, Quinn could not sign an extension with Detroit, not until this July. So technicality here Donny, he declined to commit to sign saying he wanted time to assess. Same as he told Minny. There were some team I am sure he said he simply would not consider at all. But yes the rumour is that the Detroit offer was more. Since JR said the starting point was a 1st, young D with top 2 potential, a top 6 centre and another piece in the top six O or top 4 D range. Its fun trying o imagine what Detroit offered.

[Cousin Strawberry]

It was almost certainly centered around Simon Edvinsson plus one or more of Danielson, Bear or Kaspar.

I'd very much have preferred that package

[Madcombinepilot]

Precisely. You can easily get 2 firsts for him now and hopefully same by the time his limited NMC kicks in.

Crazy to pass on that to keep a 28 yo because he's so good for the young uns' he'll keep the shittiest team in the League from being any shittier. Make sense don't it.

we couldnt get 2 firsts for Hughes, we wont get it for FH

I agree it would be difficult to get two 1sts because teams will rarely leave themselves vulnerable giving up back-to-back firsts. Perhaps what I should’ve said was two 1sts in total value.

Quinn basically got four 1sts, and that’s taking the considerations Mëds mentioned into account. Imo he should’ve and easily could’ve gotten more if we traded him at max value.

Let’s go through some deadline deals…

A 35 yo Kadri got back a 1st, a 2nd, and parts.

34 yo Justin Faulk got back a 1st, a 3rd and parts.

36 yo John Carlson got back a 1st and a 3rd.

32 yo Mackenzie Weegar got back three 2nds and parts.

29 yo Rasmus Anderson got back a 1st, a 2nd, and same aged Whitecloud who’s a decent replacement.


Fil is by far better than all the players mentioned after Quinn. You salivate at what he can get based on TDD insanity, easily two 1sts in net value if not more. Right handed No.1/2 D at the prime of their careers are at an absolute premium more than a few teams would sell the farm for.

Apologies. I read it as 2x 1st round picks.

I agree we got more value, but I was going off the printed word as there are a whack of posters here who want to sell every veteran we have for picks.

[Nuckertuzzi]

No need for apologies my friend, my fault for not clarifying two 1sts in net return value.

We don't need to get rid of all vets for picks. Only the ones that can get back surplus value. The ones that are worth shit just keep them around and rot.

Because we are a rebuilding team with no expectations for the next several years, and with workable cap space, the goal would be to find UFA vets that are willing to come here short term that can be flipped for future assets. Likely not many available but that would be the goal, then failing that you look at the scrap heap garbage after the primary ones are gone.

Also find cap anchor players that teams want to dump if they're willing to attach sweeteners.

That's how we acquire vets to fill out the roster.


...hmm, I guess we're derailing this thread. For that I apologize.

[Madcombinepilot]

No need for apologies my friend, my fault for not clarifying two 1sts in net return value.

We don't need to get rid of all vets for picks. Only the ones that can get back surplus value. The ones that are worth shit just keep them around and rot.

Because we are a rebuilding team with no expectations for the next several years, and with workable cap space, the goal would be to find UFA vets that are willing to come here short term that can be flipped for future assets. Likely not many available but that would be the goal, then failing that you look at the scrap heap garbage after the primary ones are gone.

Also find cap anchor players that teams want to dump if they're willing to attach sweeteners.

That's how we acquire vets to fill out the roster.


...hmm, I guess we're derailing this thread. For that I apologize.

I agree with the gathering of assets, but there will not be many teams doing cap dumps with the same value of sweeteners as there was in the flat cap era. If the opportunity arises, take it, but with the cap going up, you won’t see the same value attached.

We need to sign a couple UFA’s to short term contracts with the understanding we will retain and trade to contenders. I think this will get us more valuable picks.

And if we can do that, pick well, this doesn’t have to be a ‘several year’ rebuild, it can be a ‘few year’ rebuild.

[Tciso]

Yeah. Its sad to say, but the Canucks do need to sign a few Kane type dudes, and play the lottery that they have good years with us, and are tradable for assets.

My ChatGM says Toronto and Edmonton will both be looking for trade deadline pickups (as always), so, we need to grab a couple of $4mil wingers we can swap for at least a 2nd with retention. Or, an Ian Cole style dman if we want to trade with the rest of the league.

Our scouts need to be damned busy this summer to avoid used needles and body lice as they rummage thru this summer's bargain bin looking for depth no one wants now, or can't afford now, but will be valuable once injuries hit, and the tdd gets closer.