Ownership and Management (These fuckin' guys™)

[UWSaint]

Once it became clear that the Canucks had to move on from EP40, Miller, or both, there is no longer the Benning core in place (and the prior vision of the GM was to build complements around that core better than Benning). And that's the time to say, okay PA, what's the new vision. And if it wasn't one that you were comfortable being on board with such that you sank or swam together, than you can PA at that point. Because that was the transition moment.

I will add to myself that most of their very bad moves came after this point. Sure, you can question moving Horvat (but should still admit the Horvat related deals actually improved the team, just not as much as if EP40 were moved), you can question the wisdom of trading for Lindholm as a rental, and you can question why you'd force yourself to move Podkolzin, you can lament opportunities missed (like not trading Hoglander after a hot season when another hot season would make him expensive and a cold one would mean rather have Podkolzin....).

But the really putrid moves? All once the the transitional point was unavoidable.

Miller -- fine (and I've always seen Chytil not as an answer, but a NYR requirement (salary cap) in order to give up the first and a decent D prospect).
Turning that first into MPettersson instead of keeping it? Questionable straight up, but very dumb in the context of where the team was.
Signing Lankinnen to a multi year NMC deal, and at way too much money, and before the facts are in on this prospect you've been developing for years? Retarded. Under every circumstance.
Signing Demko before he shows he can play? Pretty stoopid.
Moving Silovs before Demko shows he can play for a sustained period? Questionable, and super dumb that you gave yourself limited options by signing Lankinen.
Reupping Boeser? That's not terrible, because as I've said before, every rebuilding team needs a player sort of like Brock Boeser. But to fulfill a "we are going for the playoffs this year? vision? Not great.
Signing Garland a year out? Not good, but not terrible because you didn't sign him to an unmovable deal and then you moved him. Would Garland have returned more as a rental? Maybe, but let's be honest, the real downside of that deal is that he'd play the way he did after Hughes was traded (which didn't really improve in Columbus and might have been worse if you got rid of a couple games where he looked great) for the next 5 years.

[Topper]

add
the Deharais/Heinen/Sprong shit thrown at the wall with nothing sticking

the too late moves to re sign Zedorov and Suter

the phantom 2C

[Hockey Widow]

And lets not forget never giving Jet Woo a chance!!!!!

[theman]

Prelims are over, time for the main event.

[Megaterio Llamas]

"It was you or me amigo."

I hope there's no hard feelings. This was strictly business"

"Where is Cammi with my egg salad.?"

[UWSaint]

add
the Deharais/Heinen/Sprong shit thrown at the wall with nothing sticking

the too late moves to re sign Zedorov and Suter

the phantom 2C

Agree bad moves, but failures sprinkling around the edges coming out of the (edit: good!) season were recoverable when the core was intact. At least they could get out from those moves without paying; issue was the missed opportunities.

But if that Miller pick was going to fortify the near present team, it absolutely should have gone towards help in the middle.

Choosing not to sign Suter or Z at their price is one thing, missing the opportunity to do so because slow reading the market or slow playing the agent is incompetent.

[Topper]

For what its worth, Foote did the player exit interviews.

[Megaterio Llamas]

Geezer at noon. I'm not guaranteeing Tallon or anything, but fuck a triumvirate of Rutherford, Tallon, and Mr Aquilini would be funny.

Geezer should be up at high noon.

[Carl Yagro]

"Jim, did you get me fired?"

"Uh, who, me? Um, no. I had no idea. I was taking my usual afternoon nappy. It must have been Francesco's idea.

Yeah, good luck, eh? Don't be a stranger. Keep in touch."

[Ronning's Ghost]

But the really putrid moves?

No question there was a litany of bad moves.

One of the challenges around assessing Canucks administrations is that it's never entirely clear, at least to me, whose moves those are.

Aquillini's ? Rutherford's ? Allvin's ? Heck, the consensus on this board seems to be that the bad Podkolzin trade was Tocchet driven.

The job description of GM in Vancouver might well be "guy who has to wear it if things go badly". That's still probably better than some organizations, where that role falls to the coach.

Speaking of coaches, what do you guys think of Foote? In the current environment, wins are irrelevant (actually, a negative) and you just need someone who can teach skills and good habits. Is Foote the right coach for that?

1) JR has convinced ownership a rebuild is required. Past PoHo could not do that. If true, firing him could set us back. He may still be needed around here to manage up to ownership while the rebuild is ongoing.

An extremely important point. The belief that Rutherford would be skilled at managing up was the primary reason I celebrated his arrival.

Of course, we have no idea how important his role was driving that decision, with the inner workings of Canuck management being a black box to us (even seemingly to HW, now), but that single raw result is single most important factor in driving any chance at the Canucks opening up a long, wide competitive window.

It is in the Canuck fan tradition to lament all of the many fumbles that led us to this place with the organization in a weaker position than it should have been, but I am encouraged that at last the rebuild that should have started in 2012 has finally begun.

[theman]

JR expects at least 3 rookies to be in the line up next season: Lekkerimaki, Coates and whoever they pick at the top of the draft next season.

[Megaterio Llamas]

"Chytil and Demko went down..."

[Carl Yagro]

Expectations go out the window when reality slaps you like a bitch.

Funny to hear JR spin to drive up the hope for likely more foolish moves. This is coming from a geezer who's decidedly not a rookie anymore.

[Topper]

What an admission of incredible incompetence

Tank deliberate

Alvin under the bus (repeatedly), but offered a scouting job

Working over the weekend on new GM search and start Zoom meetings next week - WTF! - they've known Alvin is gone for weeks, a sleep at the wheel. Aqualungs in on the Zoom call. Possibly rookie GM but with management and hockey knowledge. Looked several teams that recently rebuilt as a model.

Then says he made the call at noon yesterday after talking to the Aqualungs ... then news leaked to the press instead of a team statement

2C never could be made to happen no matter how hard RoboSwede tried, not willing to trade Willander/Karlson

Knew long before the season that Quinn was moving but still signed all his buddies to try and change his mind

Cootes, Letterkenny, 1st pick + a healthy Demko in the lineup next season and its back to the playoffs (maybe)

New GM given autonomy LOL as they always do

Britannia, waiting for social license from the community, Geriatric hitting Crappy Tire for tools

Quinn wanted to go back south of the border.

Geriatric may retire post draft. Seemed likely.

Scooter, needs to put the work in in the off season .... for the eighth fucking time. Geriatric has never looked into trading him, that was RoboSwede's job (back that bus up and run over him again).

How did the room get as bad as it was? The room was completely fucked up. Bizarrely, criticizes vets for making the rest and the kids accountable - My take, the JT faction is gone.

Foote up to new GM, Adam had a shit team to deal with.

Johnson under contract, Nashville rumour is BS

D core looks solid (LOL). Need to build up forward core - hint, hint, hint at the draft

The sun will once again rise.

[Cornuck]

A truly sad state of affairs... yes, the sun will rise again, but we've some very dark times ahead.

After a few years of mismanagement, the only bright spot lately has been the collection of kids who seem to be taking things into their own hands and trying to make things happen.

It's all smoke and mirrors at this point.