Just Not ready

[rikster]

Troll or idiot. Which are you Chef? The line is getting truly blurry.

Why would you consider it trolling?

PP is acting like someone who thought he'd be running against JT and the US President would be Biden and is concerned that it may be Carney who he faces and debates over things like domestic and world economics and tariffs and all of the other issues that come with a Trump presidency...

He lacks substance and experience, so he doubles down on attacks on yesterdays news instead of offering thoughtful insight into how he will manage the future...

His supporters will claim that he doesn't need to discuss his policy until the election has been called, fair enough but the more he attacks JT the more he looks like someone who is overwhelmed with the challenge...

Which is why I think it would be mistake to give a life long politician who is currently sitting on a $230,000 per year pension at age 65 who has never had a bill passed into law the office of the Prime minister..

[rikster]

Curious on the board's thoughts -- did Trump's election contribute to Trudeau's decision to step down, and if so, how much and why? Put differently, had Harris been elected, do you believe Trudeau's decision or its timing would have been different.

I don't think so..

Trudeau after 9 years and lots of internal turmoil was a dead duck walking ....

Would Mark Carney have entered the race to replace Trudeau if Trump had not been elected? I wonder....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Carney

I have always thought that the Americans made a mistake when they didn't elect Mitt Romney, I hope we don't make a similar mistake in not electing Carney...

[rikster]

Curious on the board's thoughts -- did Trump's election contribute to Trudeau's decision to step down, and if so, how much and why? Put differently, had Harris been elected, do you believe Trudeau's decision or its timing would have been different.

I don't think so..

Trudeau after 9 years and lots of internal turmoil was a dead duck walking ....

Would Mark Carney have entered the race to replace Trudeau if Trump had not been elected? I wonder....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Carney

I have always thought that the Americans made a mistake when they didn't elect Mitt Romney, I hope we don't make a similar mistake in not electing Carney...

[Topper]

Trudeau was well beyond his best before date at the time of the US election. Nine years and he'd lost the room.

His government has been scandal plagued for years with he and several key cabinet member faced the toothless wrath of the Ethics Commissioner. The Fall sitting of Parliament was handcuffed because Parliament had voted and the Speaker of the House had ruled that the Liberals hand over unredacted documents relating to their latest scandal involving a green slush fund. Trudeau refused to hand over the documents and no business of the house could proceed until the documents were handed over. Parliament was handcuffed for months.They never were and with Trudeau prorogueing Parliament they never will be.

He lost a bi-election in Toronto last June, a Liberal stronghold and generally a safe seat. He lost another bi-election in September, this time a safe seat in Montreal that had previously been held by his Attorney General/Justice Minister. Calls for his resignation from within his Party became public after the Toronto loss and louder after the Montreal loss.

He has blown past every budget he has ever set. Latest was the Spring budget forecast of a $40M deficit that came in at a $62M deficit. That was the moment his Finance Minister resigned instead of presenting the Fall Economic Statement to Parliament announcing the mess.

The word out of the Spring 2024 budget was Trudeau was hoping for a 5% gain in the polls. He was trailing the Conservatives by 14% back then. He was trailing +/- 20% when he resigned, that initially jumped to 24% but with the publicity of the Liberal leadership has dropped back to +/- 20%.

He is now the most unpopular Prime Minister in Canadian history.

His minority government has been propped up by a deal with the socialist NDP and a promise to them of Dental Care and Pharmacare for all. Dental care came in initially for those over 90yrs of age with limited income, it has since been broadened. It is still limited to $500/yr. Roughly your semi annual cleanings though my Dentist office has a sign on the wall warning the government rates are lower than the BC College of Dentist rates. Pharmacare for all is limited to diabetes drugs and birth control for women.

Free for all immigration policies have put pressure on housing. Unchecked foreign student visas and temporary foreign worker permits to go with taking the visa requirement off of Mexico. Lax refugee policies have brought in many radicals and are likely the target of Trump's Canada immigration ire. Once in Canada, it is too easy to into the US. On Sunday we deported a Pakistani national who came to Canada on a student visa only to not go to school but instead get himself arrested several times at environmental protests. His initial deportation was stayed by the then Minister of Immigration but the time limit on that expired Sunday.

In a desperate attempt to regain favour last Fall, he promised a two month Federal GST holiday (7%) on junk food, alcohol and children's toys (most food is already GST exempt) and $500 cheques to all working Canadians come April. It was quickly revealed that the GST holiday may save families less than $5 a month and that the $500 cheques weren't going to the needy low income senior and disabled. In her resignation letter the Finance Minister scathingly referred to these as "gimmicks".

The GST holiday was costing small businesses $1000 - $3000 to reprogram their POS system due to the complexity of what was and wasn't exempt. (Lego for ages 3-7, tax exempt, Lego for ages 4 and up, taxable). The idea came out of the Prime Minister's office and was not vetted by Finance (Trumpian).

Carbon tax that is higher than the cost of the fuel burned and applied after all other taxes are applied has been the rallying cry against him. It's champion is the Minister of the Environment Stephen Guilbault. An ex-Greenpeace eco terrorists who was arrested for climbing and hanging anti oil banners from the CN Tower in Toronto but more concerning was invading the private residence of the Alberta Premier, while his wife was at home, to place solar panels on the roof of the house in demonstration against the Alberta oil sands.

His government has been very big on announcing social programs but non existent on the follow through regulating and monitoring.

Trump has given his government something to frame the Conservative opposition with. They were already referring to them as "Maple Leaf MAGA".

I doubt you will see the Conservative leader doing a US media tour or the Rogan podcast as that would stoke the Trump comparisons here at home. He did a recent 2hr sit down with Jordan Peterson

[Meds]

Troll or idiot. Which are you Chef? The line is getting truly blurry.

Why would you consider it trolling?

PP is acting like someone who thought he'd be running against JT and the US President would be Biden and is concerned that it may be Carney who he faces and debates over things like domestic and world economics and tariffs and all of the other issues that come with a Trump presidency...

He lacks substance and experience, so he doubles down on attacks on yesterdays news instead of offering thoughtful insight into how he will manage the future...

His supporters will claim that he doesn't need to discuss his policy until the election has been called, fair enough but the more he attacks JT the more he looks like someone who is overwhelmed with the challenge...

Which is why I think it would be mistake to give a life long politician who is currently sitting on a $230,000 per year pension at age 65 who has never had a bill passed into law the office of the Prime minister..

And yet he’s orders of magnitude better equipped than the drama teacher we’ve had for the past 9 years.

Everything Carney has said throughout his “qualifying” career is more of the same of what we’ve had from the Trudeau Liberals.

Even what Carney is saying now is sounding like it will be a continuation of the policies they have chased investment away for the last decade.

This government (every last MP) has done nothing but push us towards a socialist view with increasing bureaucracy, gross inefficiency at every level, infringement’s on personal freedoms, and economic decline. They need to go.

PP doubling down on Trudeau attacks has the side-effect of reminding people of how putrid a job this entire government has done, and the more of Trudeau’s posse that cozies up to Carney, the closer PP can tie him to Trudeau.

[Meds]

Trudeau was well beyond his best before date at the time of the US election. Nine years and he'd lost the room.

Trudeau was beyond his best before date in terms of qualifications and usefulness when he was first elected.

The moment he answered the question of why his cabinet was a 50/50 mix of men and women with, “Because it’s 2015.” instead of “Because they are the most qualified people for the jobs.” should have been an eye opener for every Liberal voter in Canada.

Edit: Redaction…..Topper already said this part.

[donlever]

Trudeau was well beyond his best before date at the time of the US election. Nine years and he'd lost the room.

...et al

Great post.

[Chef Boi RD]

Troll or idiot. Which are you Chef? The line is getting truly blurry.

What you consider trolling is interesting. I do understand that this thread is a haven for the Make Canada Great Again crowd, but you could just chill out on the hyper sensitivity and roll with it some?

If you believe even half the stuff you write, you’re an idiot.

If you don’t, and you write it anyways, it’s trolling.

It’s ok, Mëds. I understand. I know where you stand.

[Chef Boi RD]

With Trumpee Poo coming out and threatening economic warfare on Canada after winning the U.S.election the Canadian Trumpees have been ferociously backpedaling since, trying to justify their pre-election support for the Tariff Warrior by blaming it all on Trudeau. It’s quite comical to watch. All the while the weasel Polievre fancied himself as Trump’s Mini Me. It’s why Pierre’s response to Trump’s Tariff threats have been rather lame.

This funky ass deflecting you’re seeing from the Canadian Trumpee Conservatives is Trump level deflecting, almost worse.

[Meds]

I have always thought that the Americans made a mistake when they didn't elect Mitt Romney, I hope we don't make a similar mistake in not electing Carney...

Carney's book, Values, might be worth a read for you rikster.

I haven't read it, but a few of the summaries describe it as part mission statement for the destruction of the fossil fuel industry.

Until the world actually has a viable alternative source of energy I think that any aspiring head of state who subscribes to that notion is ill-equipped to for the desired office.

You'll also see from those pages that he is more of the same post-nationalist ilk that Trudeau is. Considering their respective ages, and, as you pointe out, his resume versus that of Trudeau's, it's more likely that the younger PM was influenced heavily by his would-be successor who has been whispering in his ear for years.

[BCExpat]

Troll or idiot. Which are you Chef? The line is getting truly blurry.

Why would you consider it trolling?

PP is acting like someone who thought he'd be running against JT and the US President would be Biden and is concerned that it may be Carney who he faces and debates over things like domestic and world economics and tariffs and all of the other issues that come with a Trump presidency...

He lacks substance and experience, so he doubles down on attacks on yesterdays news instead of offering thoughtful insight into how he will manage the future...

His supporters will claim that he doesn't need to discuss his policy until the election has been called, fair enough but the more he attacks JT the more he looks like someone who is overwhelmed with the challenge...

Which is why I think it would be mistake to give a life long politician who is currently sitting on a $230,000 per year pension at age 65 who has never had a bill passed into law the office of the Prime minister..

And yet he’s orders of magnitude better equipped than the drama teacher we’ve had for the past 9 years.

Everything Carney has said throughout his “qualifying” career is more of the same of what we’ve had from the Trudeau Liberals.[/b]

Even what Carney is saying now is sounding like it will be a continuation of the policies they have chased investment away for the last decade.

I agree - PP is much better qualified than JT. Having said that, Carney may be smart and qualified, but then again, so was Vlad Lenin in Russia way back when, but that doesn't mean his policies will be good for the country. I don't trust Carney at all and I don't want his politics, regardless of his qualifications.

[UWSaint]

Thanks for the responses.

Next question—maybe this is common knowledge—was Trudeau forced out by his own party? I.e, resign or we elect a new pm. I don’t know your political system well, but I am assuming that can be done in a parliamentary system. So resignation (announced) is just saving a little face.

But next question is why this didn’t come to a head sooner?

[Strangelove]

You go get him, tiger

Speaking of cringe-worthy pandering, Canada’s prime minister in impatient waiting, Poilievre, was more muted in his criticism of his populist-stunt mentor, Trump.

An uncharacteristically subdued Poilievre droned on for more than 20 minutes in French and English about how the brewing trade dispute between Canada and the US was Trudeau’s irresponsible fault.

All Poilievre could summon from his brimming bag of school-yard epithets was that Trump’s potentially ruinous tariff hike was “unjustified”.

Boy, that’s telling him, tough guy.

Like the lifelong, calculating politician that he is, Poilievre pivoted instantly to condemn Trudeau for being caught unaware since “President Trump had been talking about it for years on the campaign trail”.

According to Poilievre, the villain in this trade drama is not Trump – a convicted villain – but Canada’s prime minister who visited Trump at his Florida Mar-a-Lago resort on Friday to mend, pardon me, fences.

Trump should have appointed Poilievre the next US ambassador to Canada given how eager a job he has been doing carrying the bully president-elect’s water.

Poilievre spent the next several minutes recycling his, by now, standard attack lines vilifying Trudeau.

He did not direct another word of condemnation towards Trump. Rather, incredibly, he defended the president-elect.

“Look, President Trump has the right to put his workers and his nation’s security first,” the MAGA fanboy said.

Pierre Poilievre is Donald Trump’s mini-me in Canada. What a disaster both countries confront in the not-too-distant offing.

[MOD EDIT: Quotation marks added, quote is from here: https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024 ... t-violence More plagiarizing by Chef Boi RD]

Troll or idiot. Which are you Chef? The line is getting truly blurry.

What you consider trolling is interesting. I do understand that this thread is a haven for the Make Canada Great Again crowd, but you could just chill out on the hyper sensitivity and roll with it some?

If you believe even half the stuff you write, you’re an idiot.

If you don’t, and you write it anyways, it’s trolling.

It’s ok, Mëds. I understand. I know where you stand.

Mëds, Chef didn't write that, he stole it (from aljazeera... again).

Fucker is hellbent on getting us sued...

[Meds]

Thanks for the responses.

Next question—maybe this is common knowledge—was Trudeau forced out by his own party? I.e, resign or we elect a new pm. I don’t know your political system well, but I am assuming that can be done in a parliamentary system. So resignation (announced) is just saving a little face.

But next question is why this didn’t come to a head sooner?

Yes. Trudeau was “forced out”.

However, The Liberal Party’s internal Constitution prevents a leader from being ousted. They have to step down. There is no formal process for party members to remove the leader through any means. There was, however, as a party, they voted to change that (in 2014 iirc) as Trudeau was selected as party leader.

He is still PM, and will be until they select a new leader. At that point parliament will need to reconvene and that should trigger a “throne speech” and budget proposal motion, which can result in a confidence vote if the budget is not passed. This would then trigger a federal election.

He is absolutely leaving in disgrace. Considered by most to be the worst PM we have ever had.

[donlever]

No face to save UW.

He is and has been an epic failure as a politician.

Perhaps one of the worst ever in the Western World.

There is a steak house in Regina called The Diplomat.

On their walls throughout the dining areas are paintings of all past Canadian PM's.

Be interesting to see......