L-GDT - Boouns at Canucks, 7pm PST, SNP, CBC(?)

[Blob Mckenzie]

Tonight's feature is Filet-O-Peter.

Like pretty much every night. Trade the fucking guy. Just like Pavel. Run his ass out of town. It was his fault they lost 5-1.

[Blob Mckenzie]

I swear Jello would fellate Petey if he had the opportunity.

Like you do Topper? LOL

He's been licking Toppers asscrack for a while now

[Topper]

I'm not sure why all the blame is in the player for accepting a contract. Why does what he makes put pressure on him? Shouldn't it be on the GM, Owner?

Not sure what to say Jello.

5th highest paid player in the league, he and his agent wanted the juice, they got it in spades, he's not handling his end of the bargain at all.

Why not get on Miller for not "Sucking it Up" - wasn't he paid during his leave? Literally taking money for doing nothing.

Yeah, I guess I get your drift but EP is not JT Miller.

If we're choosing one I've gotta think most fans are running with #9.

This contract shit gets old.

It's not about the contract, it's about his performance.

You mentioned a point a game.

As Megs said...45th in league scoring when he's paid to be a difference maker a la Kucherov Pasternak et al.

I mean at this point he's not even close to Rantanen as a player.

Is he even a top 20 player in the game at this stage in his career?

Haven't really dived into that but surely it is debate worthy.

Dudes gotta pick his shit up.

Where is Joshua? How well has additions on D been? Is Silvos actually a goalie? The Canucks record isn't on Petey.

I'm not sure what this has to do with it other than us enabling his poor performance.

You make the big bucks you're supposed to be THE game changer.

He's simply not.

Last year there was talk of EP for Necas and Kotkaniemi.

Not many people would trade Necas straight across for EP at this point.

This isn't about the contract at all for me Jello.

I'm on record here from day 1 doubting this player.

As I've always said, I really hope he proves me wrong.

But when the going gets tough....you know the rest.

...and he isn't.

He has pocketed over $4.1M to date this season. That is more than 1/2 of what Miller or Hughes make in a season just past the 1/3rd mark of the season.

Fifty percent of his eight goals are on the power play. more than 2/3rds of his points are assists.

Watch his play, he can not beast a player one on one. Ever.

He held back on signing demanding more $ than Nylander. It is about the money, he demanded it. Yes management shares responsibility for agreeing to it, but they are living up to their side of the deal. Is Scooter?

He's paid to be a dynamic threat and play driver. He isn't. He is a decoy but only until teams realize his threat is minimal.

Great players play through and find ways to defeat the added attention. Scooter hasn't been able to. Instead, he's taking special ed remedial skating lessons.

Great players make those around them better or at least look better. Can that be said of Scooter, does he pick up those around him? Instead his defenders claim that those around him drag him down.

The signing was a mistake, I said it then and I still stand by it.

He's no longer a kid, he's in his 7th season. He's a vet and should be a leader.

Last year he milked his four games in NY for his season stats, is his ten games sans Miller his teat this season?

[rats19]

Flu?

[Topper]

Flu?

As in Native Flu from Letter Kenny?

Fear of being hit.

[Chef Boi RD]

Everyone is dog piling on a single player but may I remind some that its a team game. If I were to pick an area out the defence is awful after Hughes, truly…and it will be our weakness come the playoffs. It was exposed tonight. The better playoff teams will go after it. Brannstrom, Juulsen and Friedman should not be in the starting 6 on even a bottom feeder let alone a ‘have’ like the Canucks.

The Desharnes signing ($2 million) is a black eye for management. I wish we could walk back that signing as well as Heinen ($2.5 million)

That’s $4.5 million we could’ve used on a UFA D-man like Skjei instead. If we are a contender, why fuck around with your Heinen’s and Desharnais for two years, go for broke on UFA’s like Pesce or Skjei. Could we have not tried harder on Tanev?

[Cornuck]

I doubt the whole team had the flu last night - but it sure looked like it.

Yes the D is 'substandard' and we're missing Hronek big time. Petey, without even bringing his salary into it, isn't giving the team what it needs, which is a 1-2 punch down the middle. He has one more assist (and as many goals) than Garland. He's shown a few flashes of the highly skilled player he is, but more often has been no more of a standout than Suter.

I think the biggest change from last year is that Tocchet was pushing all the right buttons and getting everyone on the roster to elevate their play. If we were down 2 or 3 goals last year, it was still worth watching the game to see the comeback. This year, it seems the players have decided that they know what's expected and mediocrity is 'good enough'.

It will be interesting to see how they respond to getting booed off the ice.

The season is still salvageable, but if this is how we play until the break, we're done.

[Megaterio Llamas]

[rats19]

It’s hard to not hate games like that especially after what may have been our best game of the season so far…

[donlever]

Yeah....I don't think those who are challenging EP11.6 are doing so in spite of other club performance or talent issues.

He is being questioned in conjunction with the other team concerns (which are, or should be, obvious to all).

For CC users suggesting that those confronting #40 as the sole reason for the overall team challenges no, you're not intellectualizing the point.

He's supposed to be our "Superstar", our play driver, our guy who drags the team out of the mire with skill, give a fuck, leadership, drive, make shit happen effort.

Clearly not happening on a near enough consistent or persistent basis.

I can not even see how this is arguable.....

...oh, he's a point a game player.

Oh, he had 100 points once.

Oh, he looked great in the playoff bubble in another lifetime.

It's not good enough.

...and no one is trying to drive him out of town.

We just want him to play up to what are suggested to be his capabilites.

Again.

I hope he makes me eat crow.

[5thhorseman]

The missing puzzle piece in this evaluation is his performance in years 2-8.

Putting it another way, expecting him to play at an 11.6 level in year 1 means you expect him to increasingly exceed that level in years 2-8, no?

I think it's more reasonable to expect underperformance (compared to the contract value) in early years and overperformance in the later years.

[Carl Yagro]

What Lever said.

Not sure I agree with you there 5th. The only guys that should apply to are the ones coming out of their entry contracts and are immediately paid top dollar (what happened to bridge contracts, eh?) based on their future potential.

Our guy has a track record of being one of the top players in the league already (See? Not every statement is a "dogpile". Facts are facts though and this is what some of us are stating.) so to say he can coast in his first year during a max term contract as a 7 year veteran is... that doesn't make much sense. That's not how pro sports work. You paid to perform. It's a now business. Not, I'll still play like SevenThreeFiddy for another year, get a rolling start, then blow everyone away closer to the finish line.

The Captain has been outperforming his contract since he signed it. The other guy who doesn't get along with said player, has played at 11.6 levels before and after he signed his value 8M contract.

I don't think it's reasonable at all to expect underperformance, certainly not to the level that occurred from last year's ASG until the end of the playoffs. The team had a responsibility also to accurately assess the situation and rest him if something was indeed wrong and they failed, so they get a good portion of the blame too.

This version's team, not just Pettersson, is very flawed as everyone can see. There are massive fixes that need to be addressed by mgmt, coaches and players themselves. We're all just passionate fans here discussing the warts realistically... although some of us are losing some interest from years and years of wartiness.

[5thhorseman]

Yeah I agree if he's coasting or holding back that's obviously not acceptable. If that's the case, get rid of him.

What I'm saying is that at his age he should still be expected to improve which should ultimately make it a fair value contract. Hughes's contract is a steal for us so I think that's an unfair comparison. The Miller contract is kind of opposite to Petey's. His play will decline so by the end of it it won't be as good a value as it is now.

The real problem I think is that according to the eye test for most people it's hard to believe he is going to get better. He's skinny, can't stay on his feet, doesn't drive the play, gets a lot of secondary assists and freebie points. He looks like a floater and a leech. He's not making the brilliant plays that he did it in his early years; the promise seems to have disappeared. It seems that what you see is what you get right now and for the next 7 years. But this is where the intangibles come into play, his drive, his competitiveness, what management see in him. They obviously believe he will become more than he is right now and that's why he got 11.6.

[Megaterio Llamas]

Maybe if he was summoned to the blueberry farm for a late night meeting with the boss it might wake him up. Mr Aquilini could send a driver over to his place late at night. Get his pulse up.

[theman]

Yikes, only made it through the first period. Hopefully the whole team was suffering from the flu and not just Lanky and Forbert.

As for the 11.6 Million Dollar Man, I have never liked that contract. Can’t blame him for signing it but he is not living up to it. Something is off with this team and I get the feeling one of Petey and Miller will have to go.

I, if I was mgmt, would check in with Hughes and see who he would want gone. Think they would be able to get good value back for Miller but would probably have to retain on any possible Petey trade.

Almost forgot, my run of starting GDTs appear to be at an end.