Rebooted Around the League - 23/24

[Blob Mckenzie]

The combiner just landed a quadruple combination of triple coilers on Blobbies pirate chest

It looks like either the Audi or the Olympic logo... depending on the smear factor

Because he had a tantrum?

[Strangelove]

They can attach picks/prospects to Darnell and retain salary.

But power forwards always take longer to develop right?

Alright Blobbie, I will not engage you on this again, but your acting like an amway person, and you just keep picking.. So, here is your door slam.

First, Nurse has a NTC. Therefore, You are 100% wrong. He is not going anywhere with 'picks and prospects' unless he wants to. The End.


Second, and onto your continuous scratching of your herpes itch regarding powerforwards development curves, and the purposely obtuse outtakes from it, I guess you get your way and we are gonna debate it... and by 'debate' I mean I simply show people who has actually been huffing on the Ghomer pen.

To recap, I said typical powerforwards take longer to develop and often get traded before they reach potential. You said there is no evidence and started your typical 'run down the other poster' schtick to assert the dominance of your superiority, just like you had to those couple times you spent the weekends in jail, and I was simply too tired to engage and so I said you were right to shut you the hell up. Then, like a small child, you jumped up and down and then started acting like what you said was true, moved the goalposts by adding powerforwards who were NEVER traded and promptly started playing with yourself while telling your image in the mirror how smart you were, and Didn't shut up even after several rather obvious examples of late blooming powerforwards who were traded were shown be several posters.

there is no evidence power forwards take any more time than any other skater to develop.

and where is the evidence power forwards take longer than other skaters to develop?

So, I now have some time to properly address this. I have compiled a list of about 50 powerforwards who fit the criteria of my original comments.
They were defined as powerforwards and are 'typical' opposed to 'exceptional' (I mean were not picked in the top 5 of the first round -they are just average NHL'r who were not exceptional players like Lindros or Ovi). This is a random list and are in no order of significance, and from anytime after the term 'powerforward' became regular vernacular (That means since we started using the word 'powerforward' in 1983, blobster) --please note ALL of your examples in the posts are not the same conversation they were never traded before age 23, hense; your out of your lane and simply wrong in your response posts as well. But, for this example of "developing late", I'll make a random list of 50 or so, regardless of trade status, then do some research.

Cam Neely (the original, according to Sinden), Todd Bertuzzi, Brendan Shanahan, JT Miller, Rick Tocchet, Keith Tkachuk, Owen Nolan, Evander Kane, Chris Stewart, Ryan Johansen, David Backes, Wayne Simmonds, Dakota Joshua, James Neal, Scott Hartnell, Tom Wilson, James Van Riemsdyk, Brandon Saad, Troy Brower, Joff Lupul, Brayden Schenn, Kyle Plamieri, Sam Bennett, Charlie Coyle, Anthony Duclair, Josh Anderson, Adam Henrique, Boone Jenner, Marcus Foligno, Anders Lee, Dakota Joshua, Alex Tuch, Zack Kassian, Ryan Hartman, Ryan Malone, Bobby Ryan, David Perron, Miles Wood, Stefan Noesen, Jordan Martinook, William Carrier, Jarome Iginla, Milan Lucic, Chris Kreider, Ryan Getzlaf, Wendel Clarke, Clarke Gilles, Gary Roberts, Dustin Brown, John Leclair, Johan Franzen, and Kevin Stevens

I am sure there are errors here, but its a good enough sample size for what we are doing here to get started. All the above players played more than 100 games and 400 hits (after they started tracking them) in the NHL. Sure, some of them are debatable powerforwards, but I was just trying to get a sample size here.

On this list, only 2 players I could find (Saad and Stewart) had a higher PPG BEFORE age 23 than after.

Now, I am sure someone could go make a list of Powerforwards who were not typical (the exceptions like Lindros), or skew the numbers somewhere, but here ya go Blob, Power forwards tend to develop later than skilled guys.

Fuck you.

Wow MCP, that was probably the worst post I've ever read from you. Not only did you fail to prove your point, but you loaded the preamble up with personal attacks while claiming to be above that.

Cam Neely - 72 points in 75 GP at 22 years old.
Brendan Shanahan - 72 points in 73 GP at 20 years old.
Keith Tkachuk - 81 points in 82 GP at 21 years old.
Owen Nolan - 73 points in 75 GP at 19 going 20.
Ryan Getzlaf - 82 points in 77 GP at 23.
Milan Lucic - was the best player he would be by 23 years old.
Jarome Iginla - by the time he was 22 he was a 30 goal/60+ point winger and trending up.

Some of those guys didn't ever pan out, the rest of them developed along the same curve as every other type of player not projected to be a top line superstar, hitting their true stride around 24 and then dropping back off again around 30. And by "every other type of player" I mean ones who fit your criteria: They were defined as powerforwards and are 'typical' opposed to 'exceptional' (I mean were not picked in the top 5 of the first round -they are just average NHL'r who were not exceptional players like Lindros or Ovi).

Interestingly enough a few of those names actually developed at an accelerated curve when compared to hot shot danglers and playmakers like say, Datsyuk and Zetterberg, both of them drafted outside the top 5 (rounds actually lol) and neither of them power forwards, and neither of them making their big impact until after they were 25. Hell, the #2 and #3 picks of the 1999 draft didn't become top line players until they were 26 (in fact they were only scratching at 50 point seasons at 25).

No skewing required.

The three of you are only twisting each others words and sentences.

It's outrageous... egregious... preposterous!

It's lewd, lascivious, salacious... outrageous!

[Madcombinepilot]

They can attach picks/prospects to Darnell and retain salary.

But power forwards always take longer to develop right?

Alright Blobbie, I will not engage you on this again, but your acting like an amway person, and you just keep picking.. So, here is your door slam.

First, Nurse has a NTC. Therefore, You are 100% wrong. He is not going anywhere with 'picks and prospects' unless he wants to. The End.


Second, and onto your continuous scratching of your herpes itch regarding powerforwards development curves, and the purposely obtuse outtakes from it, I guess you get your way and we are gonna debate it... and by 'debate' I mean I simply show people who has actually been huffing on the Ghomer pen.

To recap, I said typical powerforwards take longer to develop and often get traded before they reach potential. You said there is no evidence and started your typical 'run down the other poster' schtick to assert the dominance of your superiority, just like you had to those couple times you spent the weekends in jail, and I was simply too tired to engage and so I said you were right to shut you the hell up. Then, like a small child, you jumped up and down and then started acting like what you said was true, moved the goalposts by adding powerforwards who were NEVER traded and promptly started playing with yourself while telling your image in the mirror how smart you were, and Didn't shut up even after several rather obvious examples of late blooming powerforwards who were traded were shown be several posters.

there is no evidence power forwards take any more time than any other skater to develop.

and where is the evidence power forwards take longer than other skaters to develop?

So, I now have some time to properly address this. I have compiled a list of about 50 powerforwards who fit the criteria of my original comments.
They were defined as powerforwards and are 'typical' opposed to 'exceptional' (I mean were not picked in the top 5 of the first round -they are just average NHL'r who were not exceptional players like Lindros or Ovi). This is a random list and are in no order of significance, and from anytime after the term 'powerforward' became regular vernacular (That means since we started using the word 'powerforward' in 1983, blobster) --please note ALL of your examples in the posts are not the same conversation they were never traded before age 23, hense; your out of your lane and simply wrong in your response posts as well. But, for this example of "developing late", I'll make a random list of 50 or so, regardless of trade status, then do some research.

Cam Neely (the original, according to Sinden), Todd Bertuzzi, Brendan Shanahan, JT Miller, Rick Tocchet, Keith Tkachuk, Owen Nolan, Evander Kane, Chris Stewart, Ryan Johansen, David Backes, Wayne Simmonds, Dakota Joshua, James Neal, Scott Hartnell, Tom Wilson, James Van Riemsdyk, Brandon Saad, Troy Brower, Joff Lupul, Brayden Schenn, Kyle Plamieri, Sam Bennett, Charlie Coyle, Anthony Duclair, Josh Anderson, Adam Henrique, Boone Jenner, Marcus Foligno, Anders Lee, Dakota Joshua, Alex Tuch, Zack Kassian, Ryan Hartman, Ryan Malone, Bobby Ryan, David Perron, Miles Wood, Stefan Noesen, Jordan Martinook, William Carrier, Jarome Iginla, Milan Lucic, Chris Kreider, Ryan Getzlaf, Wendel Clarke, Clarke Gilles, Gary Roberts, Dustin Brown, John Leclair, Johan Franzen, and Kevin Stevens

I am sure there are errors here, but its a good enough sample size for what we are doing here to get started. All the above players played more than 100 games and 400 hits (after they started tracking them) in the NHL. Sure, some of them are debatable powerforwards, but I was just trying to get a sample size here.

On this list, only 2 players I could find (Saad and Stewart) had a higher PPG BEFORE age 23 than after.

Now, I am sure someone could go make a list of Powerforwards who were not typical (the exceptions like Lindros), or skew the numbers somewhere, but here ya go Blob, Power forwards tend to develop later than skilled guys.

Fuck you.

Wow MCP, that was probably the worst post I've ever read from you. Not only did you fail to prove your point, but you loaded the preamble up with personal attacks while claiming to be above that.

Cam Neely - 72 points in 75 GP at 22 years old.
Brendan Shanahan - 72 points in 73 GP at 20 years old.
Keith Tkachuk - 81 points in 82 GP at 21 years old.
Owen Nolan - 73 points in 75 GP at 19 going 20.
Ryan Getzlaf - 82 points in 77 GP at 23.
Milan Lucic - was the best player he would be by 23 years old.
Jarome Iginla - by the time he was 22 he was a 30 goal/60+ point winger and trending up.

Some of those guys didn't ever pan out, the rest of them developed along the same curve as every other type of player not projected to be a top line superstar, hitting their true stride around 24 and then dropping back off again around 30. And by "every other type of player" I mean ones who fit your criteria: They were defined as powerforwards and are 'typical' opposed to 'exceptional' (I mean were not picked in the top 5 of the first round -they are just average NHL'r who were not exceptional players like Lindros or Ovi).

Interestingly enough a few of those names actually developed at an accelerated curve when compared to hot shot danglers and playmakers like say, Datsyuk and Zetterberg, both of them drafted outside the top 5 (rounds actually lol) and neither of them power forwards, and neither of them making their big impact until after they were 25. Hell, the #2 and #3 picks of the 1999 draft didn't become top line players until they were 26 (in fact they were only scratching at 50 point seasons at 25).

No skewing required.

Wow Mëds. That’s for coming through with moving the goalposts.

All the guys you listed had higher PPG after age 23 than before. We were not talking about the point totals the had, simply they produced at a higher PPG - and also, upon review, most have higher hits per game- after the cutoff age. To make the difference more profound, I would have capped the age at 31, because then the differences really show up.

Not sure why you decided to add skill guys to the convo??!?

And I simply respond in kind for tone. When Bloboramma is chirping, I chirp back. If you would read the next couple exchanges, you see we are back to not chirping. He don’t chirp, I don’t chirp.

[Madcombinepilot]

The combiner just landed a quadruple combination of triple coilers on Blobbies pirate chest

It looks like either the Audi or the Olympic logo... depending on the smear factor

Because he had a tantrum?

No tantrum. Just cold facts. Some people here just want to stir up shit when others are having a convo because they are bored is all.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Dude most players are statistically better after the age of 23 through to about 28. Not just power forwards. Furthermore as those good-great power forwards stopped fighting so much and so many actual legit tough guys, their stats improved and they got more ice time.

So the power forward was invented in 1983? And Al Gore invented the internet.

There is common ground here. The goalposts keep moving.

[Tciso]

Now that the power forward debate has concluded, let's get into more important discussions. Should tampons in the men's bathrooms be free, or the same cost as the women's bathroom?

[Madcombinepilot]

Dude most players are statistically better after the age of 23 through to about 28. Not just power forwards. Furthermore as those good-great power forwards stopped fighting so much and so many actual legit tough guys, their stats improved and they got more ice time.

So the power forward was invented in 1983? And Al Gore invented the internet.

There is common ground here. The goalposts keep moving.

No blob. You often comment on other people’s reading comprehension. I said from ‘from the time that people started using the term ‘power forward’.

No moving of goalposts.

Google it. I am tired of being the only one doing any kind of research while you guys just carve facts with opinions and memories.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Christ if I would have known you were going to go full 107, I'd might not have have challenged your theory about power forwards.



Let's give folks a breather shall we...


The Jackets are truly in a catbird seat. Gotta great prospect pool. And now they have 20 million in cap space in the hands of a seasoned GM who is use to operating good teams while being several million under the cap. That Laine trade was brilliant for them.

I think LA is a team to watch. IMHO Rob Blake made some good trades other than the first Dubois one, but he pissed his pants with a couple high picks.

[Cousin Strawberry]

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I think LA is a team to watch. IMHO Rob Blake made some good trades other than the first Dubois one, but he pissed his pants with a couple high picks.

Blobby's Kings



Wait...I thought Rob Blake got fired for gross incompetence already....? How does he still have a job???

[Blob Mckenzie]

He had the right idea flushing out old guys once they weren't needed and hoarded picks. He just crapped his pants on a couple high picks. It is a good method but you need to close hose picks too. Clarke and Byfield can still fix this for LA.

Yes I''m apparently fans of about half the league's teams. I have one surrogate NHL team. Always liked the rough and tumble Blues. Always. Though I was glad we bootfucked them three times in the playoffs.

[Cousin Strawberry]

I have one surrogate NHL team. Always liked the rough and tumble Blues. Always. Though I was glad we bootfucked them three times in the playoffs.

I have loved how whiney and pathetic Binnington proved to be so we have that in common

[Strangelove]

No (Huberdeau) isn't. He's an overpaid floater.

I have one surrogate NHL team. Always liked the rough and tumble Blues. Always. Though I was glad we bootfucked them three times in the playoffs.

I have loved how whiney and pathetic Binnington proved to be so we have that in common

[BoS]

Don’t forget Evander Kane’s gambling and Milan Lucic’s wife beating hands.

[Topper]

RFA Swayman refusing to report to the Bruins training camp without a contract, Sweeny saying he hopes he can get a deal done prior to Dec 1 deadline.

Ugly in Beantown

[Hockey Widow]

RFA Swayman refusing to report to the Bruins training camp without a contract, Sweeny saying he hopes he can get a deal done prior to Dec 1 deadline.

Ugly in Beantown

You wonder why they traded one goalie before locking up the other one?