Trade rumours & armchair pipe dreams 19-20 Sponsored by SKYO

[Cousin Strawberry]

offer sheet Erik Cernak on Friday. Five year deal for 21.5 million. Compensation is a 2021 2nd round pick. He fits the age group and cap structure a lot better than OEL.

I heard a blurb on fLame radio recently that any offers for Cernak will require a team to make an offer that falls into the top tier, (compensation being a 1st and a 3rd) for any hope on TB not matching

[Blob Mckenzie]

offer sheet Erik Cernak on Friday. Five year deal for 21.5 million. Compensation is a 2021 2nd round pick. He fits the age group and cap structure a lot better than OEL.

I heard a blurb on fLame radio recently that any offers for Cernak will require a team to make an offer that falls into the top tier, (compensation being a 1st and a 3rd) for any hope on TB not matching

He is number 3 on the RFA priority list for Tampa behind Sergachev and Cirelli. This is after they have real away two of Killorn, Palat, Johnson or Gourde. Cernak could easily get lost in the shuffle. Tampa has no cap space and probably wants to bridge him at 2.5 x 2.

[Todd Bersnoozi]

Saw on Twitter this morning that Friedman reported that OEL refused Arizona’s request to expand his trade list, still only Vancouver and Boston.

Bit surprised he wants to come here, but I hope JB stays away. OEL's annual salary is too high and the term is a killer. If we didn't have Hughes already, maybe. Since we have Hughes, we gotta save money for him and build around him. I'd rather just kick the tires on a guy like Dhillon, see if we can get a guy like that on a team friendly contract for a couple years.

[Cousin Strawberry]

offer sheet Erik Cernak on Friday. Five year deal for 21.5 million. Compensation is a 2021 2nd round pick. He fits the age group and cap structure a lot better than OEL.

I heard a blurb on fLame radio recently that any offers for Cernak will require a team to make an offer that falls into the top tier, (compensation being a 1st and a 3rd) for any hope on TB not matching

He is number 3 on the RFA priority list for Tampa behind Sergachev and Cirelli. This is after they have real away two of Killorn, Palat, Johnson or Gourde. Cernak could easily get lost in the shuffle. Tampa has no cap space and probably wants to bridge him at 2.5 x 2.

I hear ya and agree that he would be the perfect addition but hes a big part of their future. You would need to price them way out of it and hope the picks would be enough to have them walk.

So is he worth say 7 a year plus a 1st and 3rd?

[Blob Mckenzie]

offer sheet Erik Cernak on Friday. Five year deal for 21.5 million. Compensation is a 2021 2nd round pick. He fits the age group and cap structure a lot better than OEL.

I heard a blurb on fLame radio recently that any offers for Cernak will require a team to make an offer that falls into the top tier, (compensation being a 1st and a 3rd) for any hope on TB not matching

He is number 3 on the RFA priority list for Tampa behind Sergachev and Cirelli. This is after they have real away two of Killorn, Palat, Johnson or Gourde. Cernak could easily get lost in the shuffle. Tampa has no cap space and probably wants to bridge him at 2.5 x 2.

I hear ya and agree that he would be the perfect addition but hes a big part of their future. You would need to price them way out of it and hope the picks would be enough to have them walk.

So is he worth say 7 a year plus a 1st and 3rd?

No it’s doubtful he will ever be worth 7. It’s his second contract and he has only been a regular for 11/2 years with little offence. But he’s a good positional D who is mobile, physical and can move the puck. Try and make a trade for him maybe.... other guys I’d look at are Jake Bean, Haydn Fleury from Carolina and maybe Pelech or Toews from NYI. All solid youngish players who won’t break the bank.


Shits gonna start happening today or tomorrow I assume. There is a massive musical chairs event and poker game coming up next week/weekend.

[Mickey107]

Saw on Twitter this morning that Friedman reported that OEL refused Arizona’s request to expand his trade list, still only Vancouver and Boston.

Bit surprised he wants to come here, but I hope JB stays away. OEL's annual salary is too high and the term is a killer. If we didn't have Hughes already, maybe. Since we have Hughes, we gotta save money for him and build around him. I'd rather just kick the tires on a guy like Dhillon, see if we can get a guy like that on a team friendly contract for a couple years.

If a player that is considered "in high regard", with a very good reputation, that has a solid contract negotiated 100% fairly, has been asked by his team if he'd waive his NMC, and he says yes but these are the only two teams I'll accept a trade to, that is totally a compliment to those two teams and they are obliged, IMO, to at least look into it. Wouldn't sound very good if the instant response was "Holy shit, man, that's way too much money and term. Would make for horrid, negative press for the league in general. As it stands now, it's already made flurry of reporters happy and has everyone around the league talking. We are doing our due diligence. Sounds like the Bs are too.
Canucks are not in the best of positions for a huge commitment with what's coming next year. We also need to keep future picks.

[SKYO]

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Retool a bit accommodate those bigger contracts.

Just when I was getting over hearing "that" word.

Get used to it, it's how champions win again, look at the Penguins and Blackhawks won when Toews/Kane were on ELC's and when Malkin and Letang were on ELC's - retooled and won again and again.

Petey and Hughes got one more year on ELC's then the canucks gotta retool around "the core" of Petey, Horvat, Hughes & possibly OEL, Demko probably is the long term goalie here due to a flat cap. Pens and Hawks went through goalies as well, MAF/Murray, Niemi/Crawford.

Also why I'd re-sign Demko 6 years or so at a reasonable $4M-$4.5M immediately, I'd wager just like his college and AHL season's he just progressively gets better and better and he'll grow with the young core.

[SKYO]

Tampa Bay trying to rid of Tyler Johnson and his $5M AAV cap hit for the cliff ronning type.

But he has a full No Trade Clause and is coming off a 31 point season and only seven points in the playoffs with 4 years left @ $5M AAV, that's a tough sell. Doubt TyJo waives, a good team, likes the city, worked hard for his NTC.

[Meds]

Or better, it blocks this trade from happening.

Still on the fence with this one, really comes down to the price to get him for me.

That and the Yotes would need to retain 1.25 million per at bare minimum. OEL at 6.75 to 7 million is a lot easier to deal with than 8.25. Consider him a long term Edler replacement I guess. Still think Petey and Hughes are going to combine for a 20 million dollar cap hit. Anything less is wishful thinking. This is where the Myers contract may bite the team in the ass.

Hughes- 9.5
OEL- 8.25
Myers- 6

That’s almost 24 million for 3 D men.

Can a team retain cap but not the physical dollars?

[Strangelove]

Can a team retain cap but not the physical dollars?

Nope, it's a percentage... the same percentage of both.

[SKYO]

Or better, it blocks this trade from happening.

Still on the fence with this one, really comes down to the price to get him for me.

That and the Yotes would need to retain 1.25 million per at bare minimum. OEL at 6.75 to 7 million is a lot easier to deal with than 8.25. Consider him a long term Edler replacement I guess. Still think Petey and Hughes are going to combine for a 20 million dollar cap hit. Anything less is wishful thinking. This is where the Myers contract may bite the team in the ass.

Hughes- 9.5
OEL- 8.25
Myers- 6

That’s almost 24 million for 3 D men.

I'd advice not paying Hughes for 7-8 yrs, those contracts always end up paying MAX UFA contracts after that & time goes by quick.

Top tier dmen & their 2nd contracts then:

Doughty 8yr (then big UFA contract)
Pietrangelo 7yr (probable big UFA contract, is leaving)
Karlsson 7yr (then big UFA contract)
Reilly 6yr
Provorov 6yr
Carlson 6yr (then decent 8yr)
Hedman 5yr (then decent 8yr)
Letang 4yr (then decent 8yr)
Werenski 3yr

I'd rather go the John Carlson, Victor Hedman and the Kris Letang route, 4-6 years 2nd contract at a fair AAV for Quinn Hughes, then the 8 year re-sign.

[Meds]

Or better, it blocks this trade from happening.

Still on the fence with this one, really comes down to the price to get him for me.

That and the Yotes would need to retain 1.25 million per at bare minimum. OEL at 6.75 to 7 million is a lot easier to deal with than 8.25. Consider him a long term Edler replacement I guess. Still think Petey and Hughes are going to combine for a 20 million dollar cap hit. Anything less is wishful thinking. This is where the Myers contract may bite the team in the ass.

Hughes- 9.5
OEL- 8.25
Myers- 6

That’s almost 24 million for 3 D men.

I'd advice not paying Hughes for 7-8 yrs, those contracts always end up paying MAX UFA contracts after that & time goes by quick.

Top tier dmen & their 2nd contracts then:

Doughty 8yr (then big UFA contract)
Pietrangelo 7yr (probable big UFA contract, is leaving)
Karlsson 7yr (then big UFA contract)
Reilly 6yr
Provorov 6yr
Carlson 6yr (then decent 8yr)
Hedman 5yr (then decent 8yr)
Letang 4yr (then decent 8yr)
Werenski 3yr

I'd rather go the John Carlson, Victor Hedman and the Kris Letang route, 4-6 years 2nd contract at a fair AAV for Quinn Hughes, then the 8 year re-sign.

Meh. Huggie Bear is gonna be 22 when he starts playing on his next contract. Sign him for 8 years. Takes him to 30. Draft a replacement during that time. If we give him 5 years then we're eating an 8 year deal until he's 34. I'd rather pay for young talent that isn't going to show signs of physical decline halfway through the term of the contract.

Hedman turns 30 in a couple of months. They will be paying him until he's 35......thanks to cap increases and what-have-you his contract is really good, and he took a discount. He should have been $8M+ considering Doughty's payday.

Speaking of Doughty, he's turning 31 soon. He's not the horse he was and they will be paying him $11M until he hits 37. Have you seen where LA is right now? They are highly unlikely to return to contender status until Doughty (and Kopitar) comes off the books. It's also worth pointing out that Doughty was paid a very competitive $7M per on his second deal. He was already one of the highest paid guys when he signed it, and he probably left some on the table because he got term at $7M (in 2011 that was top dollar, especially for a guy who hadn't won anything yet). A bridge deal for Doughty probably would have cost them $8Mx5. Based on 2 cups and a Norris, the still would have been paying him $11Mx8, it just would have ended at 34 years old.....still way too much.

Quinn is an obvious talent. Pay him now and pray the world returns to normal and the cap goes up again in a few years so he's at a reasonable hit for the final half of his contract. Draft and develop well. Then consider trading him in year 8 if his next ask is too big or too long. At that point he's worth a king's ransom in trade.

Only way to be a perennial contender is to be cold as ice in the GM's chair. Benning needs to stock the cupboards (which he's been doing), then make a couple trades to put the team over the top, then continue to draft and develop going forward without adding stupid free agent salaries like Loui, Beagle, and Sutter. Plan on having most guys for 10 years. If they want to be career Canucks then they'll go the Sedin route.

[SKYO]

A bridge deal for Doughty probably would have cost them $8Mx5. Based on 2 cups and a Norris, the still would have been paying him $11Mx8, it just would have ended at 34 years old.....still way too much.

Quinn is an obvious talent. Pay him now and pray the world returns to normal and the cap goes up again in a few years so he's at a reasonable hit for the final half of his contract. Draft and develop well. Then consider trading him in year 8 if his next ask is too big or too long. At that point he's worth a king's ransom in trade.

Only way to be a perennial contender is to be cold as ice in the GM's chair. Benning needs to stock the cupboards (which he's been doing), then make a couple trades to put the team over the top, then continue to draft and develop going forward without adding stupid free agent salaries like Loui, Beagle, and Sutter. Plan on having most guys for 10 years. If they want to be career Canucks then they'll go the Sedin route.

Letang, Doughty and Keith all are multiple champions as key #1 defensemen on their teams.

The key was getting them at a reasonable AAV to win those championships.

With Letang it was a 4 year deal, Doughty 8 years and Keith 13 years! lol can't do that anymore, but whatever JB can do to sign Hughes to a reasonable cap hit is the route to go IF you want to win a championship and win again.

I can see the Canucks go for a 5-6yr or a 8 year deal....ALL depends on which cap hit is best!

2021 the NHL has 4 high profile dmen as RFA's: Heiskanen, Makar, Hughes and Dahlin, it'll be interesting to see what each team does.

An ideal cap hit imo for Hughes would be a $7.5M x 6 year deal, highly aggressive & progressive contract with a $8M salary in the last year.

[Per]

Jesper Fast, 29-yo 30 point RW who has been an alternate captain for the past three seasons for the Rangers is on the move.
Swedish media claims Vancouver has shown interest.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/10967/jesper-fast

Not sure... seems Vancouver is mentioned with pretty much every free agent out there this fall.

I guess they're planning to do a series of moves and are on the phone with pretty much every GM and agent on the market, kicking the tyres...

The upcoming week will be very interesting.....

[Blob Mckenzie]

A bridge deal for Doughty probably would have cost them $8Mx5. Based on 2 cups and a Norris, the still would have been paying him $11Mx8, it just would have ended at 34 years old.....still way too much.

Quinn is an obvious talent. Pay him now and pray the world returns to normal and the cap goes up again in a few years so he's at a reasonable hit for the final half of his contract. Draft and develop well. Then consider trading him in year 8 if his next ask is too big or too long. At that point he's worth a king's ransom in trade.

Only way to be a perennial contender is to be cold as ice in the GM's chair. Benning needs to stock the cupboards (which he's been doing), then make a couple trades to put the team over the top, then continue to draft and develop going forward without adding stupid free agent salaries like Loui, Beagle, and Sutter. Plan on having most guys for 10 years. If they want to be career Canucks then they'll go the Sedin route.

Letang, Doughty and Keith all are multiple champions as key #1 defensemen on their teams.

The key was getting them at a reasonable AAV to win those championships.

With Letang it was a 4 year deal, Doughty 8 years and Keith 13 years! lol can't do that anymore, but whatever JB can do to sign Hughes to a reasonable cap hit is the route to go IF you want to win a championship and win again.

I can see the Canucks go for a 5-6yr or a 8 year deal....ALL depends on which cap hit is best!

2021 the NHL has 4 high profile dmen as RFA's: Heiskanen, Makar, Hughes and Dahlin, it'll be interesting to see what each team does.

An ideal cap hit imo for Hughes would be a $7.5M x 6 year deal, highly aggressive & progressive contract with a $8M salary in the last year.

The idea is to keep the contending window open as long as possible. The best way to accomplish that is max term for both youngsters.