Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:58 am
1 Buyout - Eriksson obviously
2 Buyouts - Is tougher. Eriksson and? IMO term trumps all especially with the massive raises coming after next season with Pettersson and Hughes. So IMO we can handle one more year left of Sutter and Baertschi contracts. Buying out Eriksson should help with Markstrom and Tanev’s raises and Toffoli signing. Doc says Beagles cap is small after next season so if we get two buyouts Eriksson and Ferland seem to make the most sense. I don’t trust a players health if he struggles with concussion issues.
Why would you buy out Ferlund over Baertschi?? Baertschi is a drag on the economy. If Ferlund plays, he plays, if not, then he is LTIR.
Get Bearcheeze off the books. Ferlund situation (like Trudeau says of the Canadian Budget) will balance itself!
Just not seeing the urgency with buying out contracts with 1 year left on them, the real worry is when Pettersson and Hughes get Mitch Marner money, the year after next. Next season is manageable. Buying out Eriksson will give us relief in giving raises to Markstrom and Tanev or/and signing Toffoli. Just let the one year remaining on Baertschi’s and Sutters roll off the cliff naturally. Apparently Baertschi is negotiating with some European clubs
Even if Ferland is cleared to play his game will most likely resemble all those who have suffered reoccurring concussion issues - apprehensive play
YOU want or think we should trade Boeser for a defense man OR EVEN to sign Toffoli who is five years older and will want
basically his retirement contract, or close.
May as well Buy out Eriksson and Sutter if there are two buy outs to use. Then Miller gets his A...
WHY not trade Boeser for dman of the same age?
HOW do you know Toffoli wants crazy money?
WHAT the hell are you talking about, buying out one year of Sutter just so "Miller gets his A"?
Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:36 am
Apparently Baertschi is negotiating with some European clubs
That would be great - he'd likely agree to a mutual termination as well if he thinks he'll get a better NHL shot on another team. His actually salary next year drops to $2.4, so if he terminates and signs a new deal for, say , $1.5, he's only down 900k and probably has a better shot to extend his NHL career than he does with the Canucks.
Sven Baertschi’s agent André Rufener says lots of European teams are calling about his client, “the discussions are short. Sven wants to play in NHL, whether it ’s Vancouver or not, he will be ready.”
8:52 AM · Apr 1, 2020
No, Virginia, there ain't no Santa Claus.
(but one more year of Sven on the books won't kill us)
At this point Baertschi is actually a better player than Sutter, who is notably slowing down.
Be great not to have to carry him around for another year. Just isn't good enough now.
Micky wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:31 pm
At this point Baertschi is actually a better player than Sutter, who is notably slowing down.
Be great not to have to carry him around for another year. Just isn't good enough now.
... and "Miller gets his A".
No ulterior motives on your part!
Never a good idea to compare an offensive winger to a defensive centre.
Nor a healthy AHL season to an injury-riddled NHL season...
The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:14 pm
Sutter is so much better of a player than Baertchi it's not even funny. Where the fuck did this come from Mick?
Baer is out of the show for good now. Time to get over it Sven fluffers
Sutter stinks now. I mean he stinks more now. I don't want Sven to play for us anymore either but he's in better shape and is in glide mode
on the farm. Surprised he wasn't picked up at the deadline
Strangelove wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:51 pm
Never a good idea to compare an offensive winger to a slow defensive centre.
Nor a healthy AHL season to yet another injury-riddled NHL season...
FYP
To be serious, I think if we eat a small portion of Sven's contract (very small--more of a gesture really) and move him that way.
In all honesty I just don't think it's wise to move on for even just one year with Sutter if a second CBO is available.
Folks these parts seem to be in on attempting to sign Toffoli who is already at 4.6 per year. We saw him for a small sample size and it
looked good. Perfect for a soon to be 28 year old to resign for the same amount (OK, 100k more), for four years.
Micky wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:30 pm
To be serious, I think if we eat a small portion of Sven's contract (very small--more of a gesture really) and move him that way.
In all honesty I just don't think it's wise to move on for even just one year with Sutter if a second CBO is available.
Folks these parts seem to be in on attempting to sign Toffoli who is already at 4.6 per year. We saw him for a small sample size and it
looked good. Perfect for a soon to be 28 year old to resign for the same amount (OK, 100k more), for four years.
This is dangerous ground. Just saying.
WHAT is "dangerous ground"??
You seem to say re-signing Toffoli to reasonable dollars/term is a good idea... and... a bad idea!
Seriously, you sound like a character from Alice in Wonderland...
And why can't you grasp the concept of using potential CBOs on players with term rather than those with one-year left?
It's not until 2021 that we need extra cap space for Petey/Hughes/Demko.
Buying out Loui with a first CBO is a no-brainer.
If there's a 2nd CBO, you use it on a contract that runs beyond 2021.
I don't think Mickster is a fan of resigning TT at 5-6/yr and moving Boeser for a dman. That's what all the angst is about
Mick we have a hole on the back end and a surplus up front (if we manage to resign toffy)... plus Boesers performance this season flattened the curve on his development from the 100pt winger he was looking like into the 50 point/60 games a yr version we saw.
Selling high while theres still top end potential left on the asset makes more sense than doubling down on right wingers while suffering through the defensive deficit that the team currently is enduring...dontcha think?
The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:17 pm
I don't think Mickster is a fan of resigning TT at 5-6/yr and moving Boeser for a dman. That's what all the angst is about
Mickster: "Folks these parts seem to be in on attempting to sign Toffoli who is already at 4.6 per year. We saw him for a small sample size and it looked good. Perfect for a soon to be 28 year old to resign for the same amount (OK, 100k more), for four years."
If you're right about this Brownie, I shall change your name to "Babu, official gibberish translator".
The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:17 pm
I don't think Mickster is a fan of resigning TT at 5-6/yr and moving Boeser for a dman. That's what all the angst is about
Mick we have a hole on the back end and a surplus up front (if we manage to resign toffy)... plus Boesers performance this season flattened the curve on his development from the 100pt winger he was looking like into the 50 point/60 games a yr version we saw.
Selling high while theres still top end potential left on the asset makes more sense than doubling down on right wingers while suffering through the defensive deficit that the team currently is enduring...dontcha think?
$5.5M/yr max for Toffoli. No more than 4 years.
I'm not selling high or low on Boeser, nor am I writing him off as becoming an 80 point winger. He's still young, he's been hurt, and then there's the distraction of his father's health. Definitely cutting the kid some slack.
Somewhere in NW BC trying (yet again) to trade a(nother) Swede…..
Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:36 am
Apparently Baertschi is negotiating with some European clubs
That would be great - he'd likely agree to a mutual termination as well if he thinks he'll get a better NHL shot on another team. His actually salary next year drops to $2.4, so if he terminates and signs a new deal for, say , $1.5, he's only down 900k and probably has a better shot to extend his NHL career than he does with the Canucks.
Sven Baertschi’s agent André Rufener says lots of European teams are calling about his client, “the discussions are short. Sven wants to play in NHL, whether it ’s Vancouver or not, he will be ready.”
8:52 AM · Apr 1, 2020
No, Virginia, there ain't no Santa Claus.
(but one more year of Sven on the books won't kill us)
Yeah Bartie isn't walking away from that $2.4 no how. It's his last year drawing a big NHL paycheck so he'll be quite content toiling in Utica and 'mentoring the kids' for that kind of dough.
The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:17 pm
I don't think Mickster is a fan of resigning TT at 5-6/yr and moving Boeser for a dman. That's what all the angst is about
Mick we have a hole on the back end and a surplus up front (if we manage to resign toffy)... plus Boesers performance this season flattened the curve on his development from the 100pt winger he was looking like into the 50 point/60 games a yr version we saw.
Selling high while theres still top end potential left on the asset makes more sense than doubling down on right wingers while suffering through the defensive deficit that the team currently is enduring...dontcha think?
$5.5M/yr max for Toffoli. No more than 4 years.
I'm not selling high or low on Boeser, nor am I writing him off as becoming an 80 point winger. He's still young, he's been hurt, and then there's the distraction of his father's health. Definitely cutting the kid some slack.
I thought Boeser looked the best I had seen since his rookie year when he finally returned from injury prior to the shut down. He seem to me moving quicker and with greater agility. It even looked like he had dropped a few pounds somehow. I found his late season performance to be pretty encouraging and I'm really hoping that's the real Brock Boeser again.
Regardless something has to give on the right side, by the time Podkolzin arrives the right side will be packed if Kole Lind continues develop like he has and Lockwood impresses early. MacEwan has made the team, IMO.
Toffoli
Boeser
Podkolzin
Virtanen
MacEwan
Lind
Lockwood
The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:17 pm
I don't think Mickster is a fan of resigning TT at 5-6/yr and moving Boeser for a dman. That's what all the angst is about
Mick we have a hole on the back end and a surplus up front (if we manage to resign toffy)... plus Boesers performance this season flattened the curve on his development from the 100pt winger he was looking like into the 50 point/60 games a yr version we saw.
Selling high while theres still top end potential left on the asset makes more sense than doubling down on right wingers while suffering through the defensive deficit that the team currently is enduring...dontcha think?
$5.5M/yr max for Toffoli. No more than 4 years.
I'm not selling high or low on Boeser, nor am I writing him off as becoming an 80 point winger. He's still young, he's been hurt, and then there's the distraction of his father's health. Definitely cutting the kid some slack.
I thought Boeser looked the best I had seen since his rookie year when he finally returned from injury prior to the shut down. He seem to me moving quicker and with greater agility. It even looked like he had dropped a few pounds somehow. I found his late season performance to be pretty encouraging and I'm really hoping that's the real Brock Boeser again.
Thats the last twitches of elite potential kicking away at an eastern GMs' medulla oblongata who may be ready to offer up a Noah Dobson/K'Andre Miller type of defensive asset in exchange.
Mëds wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:17 pm
I'm not selling high or low on Boeser, nor am I writing him off as becoming an 80 point winger. He's still young, he's been hurt, and then there's the distraction of his father's health. Definitely cutting the kid some slack.
His career is at the crossroads....a strat strapped across his back and whether or not hes ready to deal will determine how this story ends.
A perfect time for Benning to max return and reinforce his weakest position. As the Chef has noted we have another excellent righty coming aboard in just over a year. Time for Benning to play 4D Trump/Pence chess
