Strangelove wrote:ukcanuck wrote:
You accept what you accept because it falls in line with what you already believe.
I do the same.
You'd be surprised to learn that some of us actually pride ourselves on discerning the truth.
As a matter of fact, we consider anything less to be uncivilized.
Hard to believe you're a teacher.
UK: "Kids, burn your history books and just believe whatever you want to believe."
Is Israel included in your geography text books over there?
Thanks for finally admitting you choose to believe any/all unsubstantiated negative crap about Israel at face value.
And ignore anything positive about Israel no matter how well documented.
Yes Israel is on maps here, I have a map on my classroom wall and damn if it's not right there in the middle of Palestine.
Doc didn't you know there is an entire industry of rewriting history text books to update and change what's in them to better reflect our understanding of history?
There is this thing called historiography, a disciplne that seeks the actual truth through other sources such a letters and communications, bank records, bills, catalogs, manuscripts, manifests and other official documents that changes "official history" all the time
What was in the history books about national socialist Germany even ten years ago is not what is understood today.
The American civil war and slavery are understood much differently than what was in history textbooks 20 years ago.
It's all about the sources.
Which I'm sorry but you are the one displaying willful ignorance by disregarding the handful of sources I gave you - apparently because you don't like what's being said or who is saying them.
- I am definitely not ignoring whatever positive things that Israel has done at all, I'm merely examining the other side of the paradigm.
No one is all good or all bad. I've discovered that much in life and living amongst whom I thought (like so many from the west) were completely fanatical and completely off their bean, turn out to exactly like us, but with different names for the same basic things.
However, I'm getting off the point...
Well documented?
It doesn't make something well documented if it's reported over and over in a syndicated newspaper
The New York Times is wholly owned by a Jewish family who are clearly apart of the established jewish dominated media community in North America.
The same interest group that has funded american geopolitics for the last hundred or so years.
The same interest group that cut its teeth in propaganda in two world wars
Can you see where I'm going here ?
Israel is an important piece of american national interest, does it not make sense that the message delivered in the Times or post, if not outright propaganda is going to be one sided?
Try using the New York Times as a source in an undergrad university paper...you'll see what I mean.
That link you gave about the roof knocking ... That's full of illogical holes.
Do you think that in Gaza where they have rained down a barrage of missiles and bombs this summer that there is a reliable telephone network still operating?
Do think there is a shopping mall where people can just go buy cell phones?
Did you read my source, a freelance reporter who says that there is no longer facility enough there to supply baked bread for sale ?
Better still do you think that Israel would allow cell phones in Gaza seeing as how useful they are in making IEDs or for organizing terror strikes by Hamas?
I'm sorry the whole thing might have been plausible once and on a very limited scale but not this past summer it doesn't.
Actually what it really looks like is a sham attempt to make it seem like Israel is being nice while occupying and terrorizing lands and people that do not belong to them.
(Yes I know they had no choice to occupy those territories once, but increasingly it seems that holding these people under their thumbs actually increases the violence)
Oh and thanks for putting words in my mouth, you and topper are two peas in a pod.
I was admitting and inviting you to admit that we are always plagued by our own biases.
I'm trying to be reasonable your trying to score points in a kangaroo court.
