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Topper wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:55 am What of the context of anti-corruption in the Ukraine was ever looked at? Isn't the investigation of corruption at Burissma involving the son of the then Vice President a core issue in the case.
Topper wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:55 amThere is a request for investigations into corruption. Is that wrong or do you wish to support corrupt foreign states?
That's what Biden was pushing for as well. The prosecutor he wanted removed, which was also the official position of Canada, the USA, the World Bank and the EU, was removed precisely for not seriously pursuing the problems of corruption in the Ukraine. For instance, he had closed the investigation against Burisma. :look:

The thing is, you do this through official channels, using the state department, the FBI and perhaps even the CIA.

You don't do it by getting the president of another country on the phone and ask him to cooperate with your personal lawyer in investigating specifically named political opponents of yours, or else he won't get the military aid he sorely needs to defend his country against Russian aggression. :roll:
There was a delay in granting foreign aid. There is no evidence of a connection between the two events. There is only conjecture and presumption.
1) why else would he withhold the aid? It had been approved by congress when the President suddenly intervened and froze it before getting Zelensky on the phone. Connect the dots.

2) When Zelensky starts talking about their wish to buy javelins, Trump immediately says "I would like you to do us a favour though..." Connect the dots. I think most people who are not within the autism spectrum would interpret that as posing the latter as a condition for the former.

3) Several people, both some who listened in on the conversation and some who were on the ground in Ukraine, have testified that it was clear to them that the president asked for an investigation of Biden in exchange for the aid. No need to connect any dots here. Eg, the ambassador to Ukraine, a republican donor appointed by Trump, specifically confirmed that, yes, there was a quid pro quo.
This investigation and evidence procedures of the Democrat controlled process mirrors those of despots not democracies.

This is mob justice, not jurisprudence.
They are actually following the procedures of impeachment outlined in the constitution.
Mob justice?! They will hand the decision of the verdict over to a republican controlled senate.
That hardly constitutes a lynching imho! :lol:

And Ken Starr's witch hunt against Clinton was no t in any way any gentler.
Some of his best evidence was acquired through illegal wire tapping of Lewinsky.
Tripp should have been prosecuted for this, but received immunity from Starr.
And then she had the nerve to sue the government for infringing on her privacy! :evil:
Being a political rival is not a get out of jail free card. The Obama administration was investigating Trump for Russian collusion during the last campaign. Was he not a political rival? In fact the kept up the secret investigation of Trump and lied to obtain FISA authorizations in that investigation even after he became President.
There were signs of Russians interfering with the election. The FBI looked into it, as is their job. :roll:
There were traces that lead to the Trump campaign.
People involved in that campaign have been arrested, prosecuted, convicted and are serving time for crimes committed while they were working for the Trump campaign, so it could hardly be considered a witch hunt.

Obama did not have his private lawyer talk to foreign governments about getting dirt on Trump.

There is a difference. Perhaps too subtle for you to discern, but there is a difference.
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Strangelove wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:11 pm
Glenn! Image Beck!

The conspiracy guy too crazy for even Fox! :lol:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html

Smooooooooth! :thumbs:

But you know he has compared Trump to Hitler, right? :eh:
https://time.com/4248841/glenn-beck-don ... mp-hitler/

And discussed on his show whether a patriot taking him out would be OK...
“I am about to suggest something very bad,” Thor said. “… With the feckless, spineless Congress we have, who will stand in the way of Donald Trump overstepping his constitutional authority as president? If Congress won’t remove him from office, what patriot will step up and do that if, if, he oversteps his mandate as president, his constitutional-granted authority, I should say, as president,” Thor said, according to CNN. “If he oversteps that, how do we get him out of office? And I don’t think there is a legal means available. I think it will be a terrible, terrible position the American people will be in to get Trump out of office because you won’t be able to do it through Congress.”
I would agree with you on that,” Beck responded.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... nst-trump/

... so I guess he's not all bad... :look:
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Per wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:09 am
Being a political rival is not a get out of jail free card. The Obama administration was investigating Trump for Russian collusion during the last campaign. Was he not a political rival? In fact the kept up the secret investigation of Trump and lied to obtain FISA authorizations in that investigation even after he became President.
There were signs of Russians interfering with the election. The FBI looked into it, as is their job. :roll:
There were traces that lead to the Trump campaign.
People involved in that campaign have been arrested, prosecuted, convicted and are serving time for crimes committed while they were working for the Trump campaign, so it could hardly be considered a witch hunt.

Obama did not have his private lawyer talk to foreign governments about getting dirt on Trump.

There is a difference. Perhaps too subtle for you to discern, but there is a difference.
I would add that Trump was never Obama's direct political rival in the way that Trump/Biden are AND Obama did not withhold military aid in order to get dirt on Trump
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Oh look, I guess the international criminal court must be antisemite as Well

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/wor ... 576854033
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Per wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:17 am
Strangelove wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:11 pm
Glenn! Image Beck!

The conspiracy guy too crazy for even Fox! :lol:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html

Smooooooooth! :thumbs:

But you know he has compared Trump to Hitler, right? :eh:
https://time.com/4248841/glenn-beck-don ... mp-hitler/

And discussed on his show whether a patriot taking him out would be OK...
“I am about to suggest something very bad,” Thor said. “… With the feckless, spineless Congress we have, who will stand in the way of Donald Trump overstepping his constitutional authority as president? If Congress won’t remove him from office, what patriot will step up and do that if, if, he oversteps his mandate as president, his constitutional-granted authority, I should say, as president,” Thor said, according to CNN. “If he oversteps that, how do we get him out of office? And I don’t think there is a legal means available. I think it will be a terrible, terrible position the American people will be in to get Trump out of office because you won’t be able to do it through Congress.”
I would agree with you on that,” Beck responded.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... nst-trump/

... so I guess he's not all bad... :look:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

"Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, typically refers to a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself."

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ukcanuck wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:00 pm
Strangelove wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:11 pm
Okay even if that whole “power point” for toothless republican dummies is even half right and there is enough evidence for an investigation, how many law enforcement agencies are there in the US to deal with it? 4-5 ?
So you concede the fact the Bidens are as crooked as sin, good, good...

ukcanuck wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:00 pm Donald cunt extraordinaire Trump will claim the guaranteed senate acquittal as another victory and the Cheeto Christ will peel himself off the cross and rise from the dead on Election Day 2020.

The next day his lawyers will uncover the forgotten about relic law from the Nixon administration impeachment that would allow the Supreme Court (all so in republican hands) and hand trumpna three year extension to his presidency...

Oh so brilliant this orange darth Vader.
Interesting that you see the partisanship on the right and are completely blind to the partisanship on the left. :drink:

ukcanuck wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:00 pm Except for one thing, the guy is the most unpopular fat fuck in America and there will be a massive turn out on Election Day and the people will become the judge and jury and on that day there will be nothing more the trumplicans and democrats can do but watch...
viewtopic.php?p=365335#p365335

Your tick tick tick Hate Level is already off the charts, it'll be fun watching you explode when Trumpy-poo gets reelected. :santa:
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Strangelove wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:54 am
ukcanuck wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:00 pm
Strangelove wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:11 pm
Okay even if that whole “power point” for toothless republican dummies is even half right and there is enough evidence for an investigation, how many law enforcement agencies are there in the US to deal with it? 4-5 ?
So you concede the fact the Bidens are as crooked as sin, good, good...

ukcanuck wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:00 pm Donald cunt extraordinaire Trump will claim the guaranteed senate acquittal as another victory and the Cheeto Christ will peel himself off the cross and rise from the dead on Election Day 2020.

The next day his lawyers will uncover the forgotten about relic law from the Nixon administration impeachment that would allow the Supreme Court (all so in republican hands) and hand trumpna three year extension to his presidency...

Oh so brilliant this orange darth Vader.
Interesting that you see the partisanship on the right and are completely blind to the partisanship on the left. :drink:

ukcanuck wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:00 pm Except for one thing, the guy is the most unpopular fat fuck in America and there will be a massive turn out on Election Day and the people will become the judge and jury and on that day there will be nothing more the trumplicans and democrats can do but watch...
viewtopic.php?p=365335#p365335

Your tick tick tick Hate Level is already off the charts, it'll be fun watching you explode when Trumpy-poo gets reelected. :santa:
Why would explode there has been a cunt in the White house except for 12 years and three months out of the last 50 odd years.

Cunt presidents are nothing new. Both bushes were cunts, Reagan was a cunt, even Johnson a Democrat was a cunt. I’m not under any illusions about politicians being cunts.

But we shall see what the US is made of in less than a year. Tik Tok
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ukcanuck wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:34 pm we shall see what the US is made of in less than a year.
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UK really feeling trump on a personal level eh....chill dude its just comedy. No need to detonate over anyone writing his name
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The Brown Wizard wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:06 pm UK really feeling trump on a personal level eh....chill dude its just comedy. No need to detonate over anyone writing his name
If UK had a sense of humour he wouldn't have thrown Micky off the roof. :drink:
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Good thing Schumer reminded Pelosi that Mike Pence is ahead of her in the line of succession.
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Per and UK going nuts with ad hominums is the funniest part of this......but when the moral high road is already staked out, there is little alternative.
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Even the evangelicals are beginning to wake up and smell the coffee:

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/20 ... ffice.html
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Per wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:34 pm Even the evangelicals are beginning to wake up and smell the coffee:

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/20 ... ffice.html
Mark Galli doesn't represent all evangelicals... not by a longshot.

In fact he doesn't even represent the founder of Christianity Today:

https://www.newsweek.com/billy-grahams- ... ly-1478463

In his book.. 'Trump Aftershock: The President's Seismic Impact on Culture and Faith in America'... Galli attacked Donny's character.

Some evangelicals like Mark Galli don't support Trump, some evangelicals like Mike Pence... do.

(well okay, most evangelicals love Trumpy-poo) :drink:

Speaking of Mike Pence, I'm sure Mark Galli would like Trump removed so his man Pence could take over.
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Strangelove wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:27 pm
The Brown Wizard wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:06 pm UK really feeling trump on a personal level eh....chill dude its just comedy. No need to detonate over anyone writing his name
If UK had a sense of humour he wouldn't have thrown Micky off the roof. :drink:
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