And both GM’s get a ‘proportional credit’ value of zero.Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 6:36 am Luongo
Schneider
Edler
Mitchell
Salo
Bieksa
Sedin
Sedin
Kesler
Burrows
Raymond
Hansen
Rypien
Were on the 2011 Stanley Cup Finals team. All above players were provided to Gillis by the previous GM’s to Gillis.
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Exactly. Why are we talking about former GM’s in the Benning thread again?Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 7:03 amIt doesn’t have anything to do with the recently fired James Elmer Benning.Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 6:49 amI find this proportion intriguing. AND! How this proportion was the coreBlob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 6:44 amSo whatChef Boi RD wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 6:36 am Luongo
Schneider
Edler
Mitchell
Salo
Bieksa
Sedin
Sedin
Kesler
Burrows
Raymond
Hansen
Rypien
Were on the 2011 Stanley Cup Finals team. All above players were provided to Gillis by the previous GM’s to Gillis.
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I knowMadcombinepilot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 7:07 amAnd both GM’s get a ‘proportional credit’ value of zero.Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 6:36 am Luongo
Schneider
Edler
Mitchell
Salo
Bieksa
Sedin
Sedin
Kesler
Burrows
Raymond
Hansen
Rypien
Were on the 2011 Stanley Cup Finals team. All above players were provided to Gillis by the previous GM’s to Gillis.
Just got me to thinking about historical proportioning between previous GM’s and handover GM’s. It’s an interesting debate, we need to dig more into this. Lift rocks and see what’s underneath if you will
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Start a new thread. Have a poll about Gillis where you guys can bash his brains in and piss snd cry about shit that happened 13 years ago.
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Aside from beating a dead horse (which never happens around here, right?), you could look at what Benning was left with when he came in as a starting point for his legacy. You could look at how Gillis' lack of drafting roster players left Benning with an older team, etc etc.Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 7:08 am Exactly. Why are we talking about former GM’s in the Benning thread again?
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It’s all relative when mining the topic of what proportion of a teams success can be attributed to the work provided by the previous management and so forth. I was merely adding to the discussion a sampling from how ultra important the workings provided by the previous management to Gillis how that hard work benefitted Gillis greatly. We could be looking at a similar situation with the recent handover from the Benning regime to the Rutherford regime….or not. That remains to be seen. I brought up the Gillis handover because we have the proportionate data on that handover, but we don’t have the data for this recent handover…obviously as it just took place.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 8:11 am Start a new thread. Have a poll about Gillis where you guys can bash his brains in and piss snd cry about shit that happened 13 years ago.
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Benning left some good pieces but the prospect puddle is dried up. Gillis also left a shitty prospect pool but older players who obviously didn’t have as much value as a Hughes or Pettersson.
This garbage that Benning got left a horrible mess is bullshit.
Lots of pieces to deal and Ryan Kessler was every bit as good of a trade piece as JT Miller. He also left a pile of cap space. Elmer left about $50 of cap space and some long term shitty deals.
This garbage that Benning got left a horrible mess is bullshit.
Lots of pieces to deal and Ryan Kessler was every bit as good of a trade piece as JT Miller. He also left a pile of cap space. Elmer left about $50 of cap space and some long term shitty deals.
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Come on man, seriously? A guy who'd only waive to two teams?Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:44 am.
Lots of pieces to deal and Ryan Kessler was every bit as good of a trade piece as JT Miller. He also left a pile of cap space. Elmer left about $50 of cap space and some long term shitty deals.
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As a player and former Selke winner and 40 goal scorer he was absolutely as good as Miller. Elmer should have nutted up and played hardball with him. Bottom line is there wasn’t a garbage fire left like some people like to think. Elms inherited five top 4 d men. We haven’t even had four top 4 d men on the same roster since Bieksa got run out of town. Even today’s team has only three top 4 guys.ESQ wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:37 amCome on man, seriously? A guy who'd only waive to two teams?Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:44 am.
Lots of pieces to deal and Ryan Kessler was every bit as good of a trade piece as JT Miller. He also left a pile of cap space. Elmer left about $50 of cap space and some long term shitty deals.
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Elmer also left the next GM Demko, Hughes, Petey, Boeser, Garland, Pod, Hog...
Compare THOSE assets to Eye Bag's leavings....
Compare THOSE assets to Eye Bag's leavings....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe8UV_jmMkkMadcombinepilot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 6:30 amSo, check my math here…..Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:00 pm On a related note, for the record, should the Vancouver Canucks win the Stanley Cup some time in the next five years, the proportion of the credit due to Benning will the proportion of the entire team payroll -- including coaching staff -- that he signed, drafted but had not yet signed, or acquired the contracts for.
If we are assigning a ‘proportional credit’ measure from our last GM’s, then the PC of all previous GM’s of the Vancouver Canucks is…..
….. (doing math in my head)
…. (Counts previous Cup wins)
….. carry the one…
…. (Holding up a toe as I am out of fingers)
…. Uhhhh…..
Zero?
…..checks math, remembers that ‘zero times any other number equals….’
Yup. Zero!!
All former GM’s receive zero credit so far.
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I think Myers is a #4 guy this year for sure. His first two years he struggled but I think he’s played pretty well most of the season.
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Cap space is a big asset. Elmer left none but inherited a lot.Strangelove wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:01 pm Elmer also left the next GM Demko, Hughes, Petey, Boeser, Garland, Pod, Hog...
Compare THOSE assets to Eye Bag's leavings....
Horvat
Marky
Tanev
Edler
Bieksa
Canadian Olympian Hamhuis
Sedins
Garrison
And a gaggle of cap space. Elmer’s leave is better but he wasn’t left high and dry.
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