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ESQ wrote:I think Grabner does have some relevance, because its the loss of all players in Grabner's generation that has left Benning in the position he's in, and its the reason he can't do a quick re-tool like the Sharks and Ducks (as IN pointed out).
I'm not saying Grabner is the cure to all of the Canucks problems, but he's emblematic of the problem of having practically nothing to show for a decade of drafting.
My point is, there's nothing Benning could have done to make up for essentially no first round picks from 2005 to 2012, and Mason Raymond being the best forward drafted in that period that had an impact for the Canucks.
The rebuild had started under Gillis' watch, and the biggest piece of the youth movement thus far was acquired by Gillis. It continued in Benning's year one with the team trading two of their veteran top-4 D and one of the best shutdown centers in the game. In spite of re-building and shipping out vets, Benning's team made the playoffs on the strength of a Sedin bounceback and one solid UFA signing in Vrbata.
Now we're in year 3 (or 3.5, going back to the Luongo trade) of the re-build, with 4 players remaining from 2013/14, and surprise surprise its painful. With a 70+ point bounceback by the Sedins and a Vrbata-like performance from Eriksson, we may be a playoff team again, but its much more unlikely for the stars to align at this stage of the re-build. Alternatively, if the Sedins maintain and Horvat, Baertschi, Boeser get 60+ points, we could be right in the thick of it.
But what more can you really ask in a re-build? Young players are getting a shot, high picks are being acquired, vets have been shipped out steadily for 3 years, and there is a sliver of hope that with a lot of good luck, they can be competitive.
SKYO wrote:Word Benning traded a shitload of picks, but to be fair he also accumulated picks as well.
traded 12 picks away
acquired 10 picks.
So he's down two picks and he has likely moved the higher picks overall. You can't give him credit for the pick for Tortorella; not sure if you did. Look at how teams like Phoenix and Toronto are doing it by acquiring EXTRA picks.
Those teams have far better young players/prospects than Vancouver. THAT should be the goal.
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SKYO wrote:Word Benning traded a shitload of picks, but to be fair he also accumulated picks as well.
traded 12 picks away
acquired 10 picks.
Lots of needless deckchairs being shuffled there... Easily could have filled many of those holes (Pedan, Dorsett, Prust, Etem, Larsen) through waivers or UFA, while having little reason to do some of the others.
Again, easily could have 8-10 more prospects than we do currently, with no difference in performance.
Sigh, they've made deals trading veterans for picks/prospects over the last three deadlines in terms of the Coyotes and in 2015 and 2016 for the leaves. Carolina has done much the same thing. These teams have far deeper and better pools of young players and prospects than Vancouver.
Not sure why a fan of a team wouldn't want more high end young talent on the team he cheers for.
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Lol at anyone who thinks the Canucks don't have a worse young player/prospect pool than the aforementioned teams. Troll has been exposed. Homer fan is one thing but you guys take the fucking cake. Enjoy your circle jerk.
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Blob Mckenzie wrote:Lol at anyone who thinks the Canucks don't have a worse young player/prospect pool than the aforementioned teams. Troll has been exposed. Homer fan is one thing but you guys take the fucking cake. Enjoy your circle jerk.
You're the troll.
Which EXTRA picks have provided these teams with the "far better young players" of which you speak?
Yeah ok actually looking at things objectively makes me a troll. You on the other hand are incapable of ever criticizing a single move this management team makes. There's zero middle ground.
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Blob Mckenzie wrote:Yeah ok actually looking at things objectively makes me a troll. You on the other hand are incapable of ever criticizing a single move this management team makes. There's zero middle ground.
Blob Mckenzie wrote:Yeah ok actually looking at things objectively makes me a troll. You on the other hand are incapable of ever criticizing a single move this management team makes. There's zero middle ground.
He learned it all from his orange buddy down south.
Blob Mckenzie wrote:Yeah ok actually looking at things objectively makes me a troll. You on the other hand are incapable of ever criticizing a single move this management team makes. There's zero middle ground.
He learned it all from his orange buddy down south.
LOL I can't even get anywhere near that mess of a political thread.
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Blob Mckenzie wrote:Yeah ok actually looking at things objectively makes me a troll. You on the other hand are incapable of ever criticizing a single move this management team makes. There's zero middle ground.
He learned it all from his orange buddy down south.
LOL I can't even get anywhere near that mess of a political thread.
Don't blame you, I'm still cleaning my shoes from over a month ago - need hip waders in there!
Island Nucklehead wrote:
I think the unnerving thing isn't any of these deals in islolation, but the trend to throw draft picks around freely in so many deals. It's not just Baertschi/Vey/Granlund, but adding picks to Kassian for Prust, adding a pick to Jensen for Etem, trading down for Sutter, packaging essentially two top-35 picks for Gudbranson. The trend is the guy doesn't mind throwing picks away, precisely at a time when the Canucks need the picks.
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you're a beaut
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Blob Mckenzie wrote:Yeah ok actually looking at things objectively makes me a troll. You on the other hand are incapable of ever criticizing a single move this management team makes. There's zero middle ground.
I remember the days when Blobby was Gillis greatest defender, went to bat for him, he bobbed his nob daily, calling everyone who criticized Gilleye things like Chicken Little, the urine crew, blah, blah, blah...blaming AV for ruining the careers of the Great Ryan Stanton, Buyout Booth, Buyout Ballard and the Coke Assassin Kassian, defending all his everso shitty draft picks, the terrible contracts, the terrible trades. Talk about a 180
Rogers Arena - "FIRE GILLIS!"
“Tyler Myers is my guy... I was taking to Scotty Bowman last night and he was bringing up his name, and saying he’s a big guy and big guy need big minutes to play, he is playing great for ya… and I agree with him… He’s been exceptional” - Bruce Boudreau
you're a beaut