An excellent point.
Almost as good as RG’s.
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An excellent point.
While I obviously don't think that Benning can do no wrong, I think that had he come in and loaded up on picks in the first 2 or 3 seasons here, he would have been handed his walking papers and the next guy in would have had to start at square one, so we'd be no better off. However chances are that some of our draft picks that we are quite happy with would have been much different and we'd be lamenting a continued history of piss poor scouting and drafting.Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:22 pm"Fighting for a playoff spot" is not the objective -- not even an intermediate one. The goal is a sufficient concentration of talent at one time to actually compete for the Cup. Failing to load up on draft picks earlier in the process hurt that goal. I think that's sufficiently clear to everyone who is not of the "Benning can do no wrong" camp that it does not qualify as a genius insight.Strangelove wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:01 pmSo in your opinion your Vancouver Canucks led by a new young core could have been fighting a playoff spot at the deadlineRonning's Ghost wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:50 pm He might have done it as well as it could be done, but it was a foolish plan that cost them resources and time on the real rebuild.
... years earlier?
I guess Ronning's Ghost must be the real genius here...
Did you just eye-roll a proclamation of victory?
DonCherry4PM wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:26 pmDid you just eye-roll a proclamation of victory?
You should know better, Strange.
Those are sacred. Don't mess with them.
If we don't respect proclamations of victory, the only thing left is complete and utter forum carnage (or "Cornage" if our great leader wills it).
Do you want to live in that world, Strange? Do you?
Errand boys sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill
Good post 6’-9”! Can’t disagree muchMëds wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:28 pmWhile I obviously don't think that Benning can do no wrong, I think that had he come in and loaded up on picks in the first 2 or 3 seasons here, he would have been handed his walking papers and the next guy in would have had to start at square one, so we'd be no better off. However chances are that some of our draft picks that we are quite happy with would have been much different and we'd be lamenting a continued history of piss poor scouting and drafting.Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:22 pm"Fighting for a playoff spot" is not the objective -- not even an intermediate one. The goal is a sufficient concentration of talent at one time to actually compete for the Cup. Failing to load up on draft picks earlier in the process hurt that goal. I think that's sufficiently clear to everyone who is not of the "Benning can do no wrong" camp that it does not qualify as a genius insight.Strangelove wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:01 pmSo in your opinion your Vancouver Canucks led by a new young core could have been fighting a playoff spot at the deadlineRonning's Ghost wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:50 pm He might have done it as well as it could be done, but it was a foolish plan that cost them resources and time on the real rebuild.
... years earlier?
I guess Ronning's Ghost must be the real genius here...
The fact that his first year at the helm saw us fluke out into the playoffs, thanks to a year in the western conference that is really not unlike this one in terms of where teams are at in the standings, really hurt any kind of rebuild plans any sane person was pitching and pushed it back a couple of seasons.
Did he have a choice? No not much of one. Or are you simply choosing to ignore the pressures that were coming from above.Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:50 pmAnd this, this "re-tool on the fly" concept, is my principle objection to the Benning era. He might have done it as well as it could be done, but it was a foolish plan that cost them resources and time on the real rebuild.
Blob’s posts lack clarity when he’s angry posting. It’s similar to Tourette’sStrangelove wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:47 pmBlob is clearly doing some "retarded trolling" here...Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:31 pmit's really not as bad as you make it sound.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:15 pm anyone continuing to defend these players and these moves is either a troll or a retard.
How many draft selections has Jimbro made as our Canuck Supreme Leader? I believe each team is awarded with 7 picks per draft. Jim has been at the draft table 5 times with the Canucks. That would be 35 picks (5 drafts) if he had not traded away nor acquired any picks. How many draft selections has Jimbro Genius made with Vancouver?Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:22 pm"Fighting for a playoff spot" is not the objective -- not even an intermediate one. The goal is a sufficient concentration of talent at one time to actually compete for the Cup. Failing to load up on draft picks earlier in the process hurt that goal. I think that's sufficiently clear to everyone who is not of the "Benning can do no wrong" camp that it does not qualify as a genius insight.Strangelove wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:01 pmSo in your opinion your Vancouver Canucks led by a new young core could have been fighting a playoff spot at the deadlineRonning's Ghost wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:50 pm He might have done it as well as it could be done, but it was a foolish plan that cost them resources and time on the real rebuild.
... years earlier?
I guess Ronning's Ghost must be the real genius here...
Never mind the perceived pressure from above. How about all the NTC's he inherited annnnd the Sedins were under contract for a few more years.RoyalDude wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:51 pmDid he have a choice? No not much of one. Or are you simply choosing to ignore the pressures that were coming from above.Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:50 pmAnd this, this "re-tool on the fly" concept, is my principle objection to the Benning era. He might have done it as well as it could be done, but it was a foolish plan that cost them resources and time on the real rebuild.
I remember Linden once getting hammered in an interview repeatedly with “why are you not doing a full rebuild”. Linden kept responding with “because we can’t”, repeat and repeat and repeat. It boggles the mind the lack of credibility this gets from some dingbat fans and media out there. For some reason they can’t grasp the concept of an owners mandatedangler wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:06 pmNever mind the perceived pressure from above. How about all the NTC's he inherited annnnd the Sedins were under contract for a few more years.RoyalDude wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:51 pmDid he have a choice? No not much of one. Or are you simply choosing to ignore the pressures that were coming from above.Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:50 pmAnd this, this "re-tool on the fly" concept, is my principle objection to the Benning era. He might have done it as well as it could be done, but it was a foolish plan that cost them resources and time on the real rebuild.
Like the dude says, Did he have a choice?
Curious, do you 2 have each other on speed dial or something?RoyalDude wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:53 pmBlob’s posts lack clarity when he’s angry posting. It’s similar to Tourette’sStrangelove wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:47 pmBlob is clearly doing some "retarded trolling" here...Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:31 pmit's really not as bad as you make it sound.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:15 pm anyone continuing to defend these players and these moves is either a troll or a retard.
, he said as he "backed" Blob yet again.Reefer2 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:06 pmCurious, do you 2 have each other on speed dial or something?RoyalDude wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:53 pmBlob’s posts lack clarity when he’s angry posting. It’s similar to Tourette’sStrangelove wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:47 pmBlob is clearly doing some "retarded trolling" here...Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:31 pmit's really not as bad as you make it sound.Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:15 pm anyone continuing to defend these players and these moves is either a troll or a retard.
The way you back each other is, hmmmm, interesting to say the least.
Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:14 pmAnd I remain unconvinced that this was Benning's plan.Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:50 pmAnd this, this "re-tool on the fly" concept, is my principle objection to the Benning era. He might have done it as well as it could be done, but it was a foolish plan that cost them resources and time on the real rebuild.
You will note that I said "the Benning era". You may also recall previous posts wherein I was careful to say "the ownership-management group".
They'd have those extra picks, and the players that came with them, who would be the right age to be part of the new core -- which, while promising, clearly needs more support.Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:28 pm While I obviously don't think that Benning can do no wrong, I think that had he come in and loaded up on picks in the first 2 or 3 seasons here, he would have been handed his walking papers and the next guy in would have had to start at square one, so we'd be no better off.
There's no reason to assume that, if Benning were fired for doing what most of the hockey world could see was right (and the fact that they were saying it may have bought him some indulgence from ownership), the next GM would not have made equally good use of the high draft picks. Heck, even notoriously poor drafter Mike Gillis did OK when he got a top-ten draft pick.
The Garrison trade was sufficient to demonstrate that Benning was perfectly capable of unloading an NTC when he felt like it.