Trade rumours & armchair pipe dreams 19-20 Sponsored by SKYO

[theman]

What is Loui's real trade cost. Detroit got a 2nd to take on Marc Staal, who's cap is $5.7, and cash is $3.2 (assuming signing bonus has been paid). Loui is only owed $5, and has a cap hit of $12. And, he's still a serviceable bottom 6 guy for a crappy team.

Staal seems to have set the price for Loui at around a 2nd, or maybe even a 3rd. Anything less is a great deal.

Staal only has one year left. Louise has two years. Staal isn’t a completely useless piece of shit. Eriksson is. These situations are not similar.

I am starting to think that the best we can hope for in a Loui trade is:

Loui (50% retained) + a 3rd for a 7th rounder

[Richardstroker69]

What is Loui's real trade cost. Detroit got a 2nd to take on Marc Staal, who's cap is $5.7, and cash is $3.2 (assuming signing bonus has been paid). Loui is only owed $5, and has a cap hit of $12. And, he's still a serviceable bottom 6 guy for a crappy team.

Staal seems to have set the price for Loui at around a 2nd, or maybe even a 3rd. Anything less is a great deal.

Staal only has one year left. Louise has two years. Staal isn’t a completely useless piece of shit. Eriksson is. These situations are not similar.

See and I’d say the opposite, staal would make gudbranson look like a Norris caliber dman. Louie still has some very good fancy stats when it comes to helping lines out and his impact in the neutral and dzone. He’s just been snake bitten his entire tenure here. I get thinking he sucks, but as much as you hate him he’s still an nhl caliber player, and both horvat and tanner like it when he’s on their line.

[Blob Mckenzie]

lol he drags that line down. Horvat and Pearson are giving lip service. The guy is a disaster. Staal is about as bad as Gudbranson minus the pseudo toughness. Both are still capable of playing 15 min a night in the leaguein a 6/7 role. Louise does not belong in the league.

[Madcombinepilot]

What is Loui's real trade cost. Detroit got a 2nd to take on Marc Staal, who's cap is $5.7, and cash is $3.2 (assuming signing bonus has been paid). Loui is only owed $5, and has a cap hit of $12. And, he's still a serviceable bottom 6 guy for a crappy team.

Staal seems to have set the price for Loui at around a 2nd, or maybe even a 3rd. Anything less is a great deal.

Staal only has one year left. Louise has two years. Staal isn’t a completely useless piece of shit. Eriksson is. These situations are not similar.

I guess it’s how you perceive the market. Both are bottom guys with big contracts. Some teams might be looking for “cheap cap space” to get to the cap floor. Louise can play a 4th line role for them. One one hand, the extra contract year is crappy for some teams close to the cap. On teams looking to get to the floor for the next couple years, it’s not a bad thing. Heck, a desperate team might actually give us something back to get to the floor. (Not likely, but possible!)
The buying team will determine the price.

[Meds]

What is Loui's real trade cost. Detroit got a 2nd to take on Marc Staal, who's cap is $5.7, and cash is $3.2 (assuming signing bonus has been paid). Loui is only owed $5, and has a cap hit of $12. And, he's still a serviceable bottom 6 guy for a crappy team.

Staal seems to have set the price for Loui at around a 2nd, or maybe even a 3rd. Anything less is a great deal.

Staal only has one year left. Louise has two years. Staal isn’t a completely useless piece of shit. Eriksson is. These situations are not similar.

I guess it’s how you perceive the market. Both are bottom guys with big contracts. Some teams might be looking for “cheap cap space” to get to the cap floor. Louise can play a 4th line role for them. One one hand, the extra contract year is crappy for some teams close to the cap. On teams looking to get to the floor for the next couple years, it’s not a bad thing. Heck, a desperate team might actually give us something back to get to the floor. (Not likely, but possible!)
The buying team will determine the price.

Well unless your perception of the market is badly skewed then you know that an aging top-4 pairing defenseman, who can now only play 15 minutes a night on the bottom pair, is worth a helluvalot more than an aging winger who is only suitable for few than 10 minutes per game including PK duty.

Roussel, Beagle, and Sutter are all more useful players than Loui Eriksson in a bottom-6 role. We think all of them are over paid, and Loui makes $1.6M more than the closest paycheque in that group.

In the Staal vs Eriksson case, the former will play 15+ minutes a night, and do so responsibly filling his role of eating minutes and keeping the puck to the outside. Likely while partnered with a younger, future top-4, who will benefit from his experience. He won't drag down a line, and he won't be a $6M healthy scratch in big games.

Not sure how much clearer a perspective one can grasp for the market.

[theman]

Here's a question for you.

If the Canucks were going to buyout his contract, how much savings would they get? I have always heard Loui's contract is buyout proof but just how bad is it?

[Meds]

Here's a question for you.

If the Canucks were going to buyout his contract, how much savings would they get? I have always heard Loui's contract is buyout proof but just how bad is it?

I read this the other day. Pretty sure it was less than $3M of savings, and then the impact over the following 2 years was not worth it.

Edit.

Sorry.

If we buy him out today his cap hit for this year would still be $5.6M, next year it would be $3.6, and then $600K for the following two seasons.

Send him to Utica and I think we save just over $1M.

[Madcombinepilot]

What is Loui's real trade cost. Detroit got a 2nd to take on Marc Staal, who's cap is $5.7, and cash is $3.2 (assuming signing bonus has been paid). Loui is only owed $5, and has a cap hit of $12. And, he's still a serviceable bottom 6 guy for a crappy team.

Staal seems to have set the price for Loui at around a 2nd, or maybe even a 3rd. Anything less is a great deal.

Staal only has one year left. Louise has two years. Staal isn’t a completely useless piece of shit. Eriksson is. These situations are not similar.

I guess it’s how you perceive the market. Both are bottom guys with big contracts. Some teams might be looking for “cheap cap space” to get to the cap floor. Louise can play a 4th line role for them. One one hand, the extra contract year is crappy for some teams close to the cap. On teams looking to get to the floor for the next couple years, it’s not a bad thing. Heck, a desperate team might actually give us something back to get to the floor. (Not likely, but possible!)
The buying team will determine the price.

Well unless your perception of the market is badly skewed then you know that an aging top-4 pairing defenseman, who can now only play 15 minutes a night on the bottom pair, is worth a helluvalot more than an aging winger who is only suitable for few than 10 minutes per game including PK duty.

Roussel, Beagle, and Sutter are all more useful players than Loui Eriksson in a bottom-6 role. We think all of them are over paid, and Loui makes $1.6M more than the closest paycheque in that group.

In the Staal vs Eriksson case, the former will play 15+ minutes a night, and do so responsibly filling his role of eating minutes and keeping the puck to the outside. Likely while partnered with a younger, future top-4, who will benefit from his experience. He won't drag down a line, and he won't be a $6M healthy scratch in big games.

Not sure how much clearer a perspective one can grasp for the market.

No, I get that. The point I was making, is that it probably won’t cost us Hoglander, a 1st, and Virtanen (or something to that cost) as a price tag to move him as some suggest. If we find the right partner, and can fill the right need, he can be moved. Or terminated.. or killed (don’t matter to me) for the comparable cost of a second.. or even cheaper.

[theman]

Posted this earlier, but I think the best we can hope for, other than him being a 'throw in' for a blockbuster trade is:

Loui (50% retained) + 3rd round pick for future considerations (something like a 7th round pick)

We loose a decent asset but get 3 mil in cap savings. That I think might be the best we can hope for.

I would rather send him to Utica and get 1 mil in savings then give up a 1st.

[Meds]

What is Loui's real trade cost. Detroit got a 2nd to take on Marc Staal, who's cap is $5.7, and cash is $3.2 (assuming signing bonus has been paid). Loui is only owed $5, and has a cap hit of $12. And, he's still a serviceable bottom 6 guy for a crappy team.

Staal seems to have set the price for Loui at around a 2nd, or maybe even a 3rd. Anything less is a great deal.

Staal only has one year left. Louise has two years. Staal isn’t a completely useless piece of shit. Eriksson is. These situations are not similar.

I guess it’s how you perceive the market. Both are bottom guys with big contracts. Some teams might be looking for “cheap cap space” to get to the cap floor. Louise can play a 4th line role for them. One one hand, the extra contract year is crappy for some teams close to the cap. On teams looking to get to the floor for the next couple years, it’s not a bad thing. Heck, a desperate team might actually give us something back to get to the floor. (Not likely, but possible!)
The buying team will determine the price.

Well unless your perception of the market is badly skewed then you know that an aging top-4 pairing defenseman, who can now only play 15 minutes a night on the bottom pair, is worth a helluvalot more than an aging winger who is only suitable for few than 10 minutes per game including PK duty.

Roussel, Beagle, and Sutter are all more useful players than Loui Eriksson in a bottom-6 role. We think all of them are over paid, and Loui makes $1.6M more than the closest paycheque in that group.

In the Staal vs Eriksson case, the former will play 15+ minutes a night, and do so responsibly filling his role of eating minutes and keeping the puck to the outside. Likely while partnered with a younger, future top-4, who will benefit from his experience. He won't drag down a line, and he won't be a $6M healthy scratch in big games.

Not sure how much clearer a perspective one can grasp for the market.

No, I get that. The point I was making, is that it probably won’t cost us Hoglander, a 1st, and Virtanen (or something to that cost) as a price tag to move him as some suggest. If we find the right partner, and can fill the right need, he can be moved. Or terminated.. or killed (don’t matter to me) for the comparable cost of a second.. or even cheaper.

Ahhh... Ok. I agree, though it likely could cost us one of Virtanen or Hoglander. A 1st is too high. And certainly not all 3.

[Madcombinepilot]

Posted this earlier, but I think the best we can hope for, other than him being a 'throw in' for a blockbuster trade is:

Loui (50% retained) + 3rd round pick for future considerations (something like a 7th round pick)

We loose a decent asset but get 3 mil in cap savings. That I think might be the best we can hope for.

I would rather send him to Utica and get 1 mil in savings then give up a 1st.

If 6 million dollar cap hit (Marleau) is worth a 1st,
And a 5 million cap hit (Stall) is worth a second,

Then why is a 3 million hit (50% of Loise) that only costs 1 million worth a Third?

[theman]

Posted this earlier, but I think the best we can hope for, other than him being a 'throw in' for a blockbuster trade is:

Loui (50% retained) + 3rd round pick for future considerations (something like a 7th round pick)

We loose a decent asset but get 3 mil in cap savings. That I think might be the best we can hope for.

I would rather send him to Utica and get 1 mil in savings then give up a 1st.

If 6 million dollar cap hit (Marleau) is worth a 1st,
And a 5 million cap hit (Stall) is worth a second,

Then why is a 3 million hit (50% of Loise) that only costs 1 million worth a Third?

1. Other teams know they have the Canucks 'by the balls' so they can try to leverage that to get a higher pick from us?
2. Benning has a bad poker face.
3. Loui has two years left on his contract. Stall has one year, how many more years does Marleau have?

[Richardstroker69]

lol he drags that line down. Horvat and Pearson are giving lip service. The guy is a disaster. Staal is about as bad as Gudbranson minus the pseudo toughness. Both are still capable of playing 15 min a night in the leaguein a 6/7 role. Louise does not belong in the league.

I dunno man, here’s an article with some of the stats I was talking about

https://thehockeywriters.com/canucks-lo ... black-ace/

[Blob Mckenzie]

And then there was the recent Canucks Army piece that said he was the least engaged and productive player on the Canucks in the post season. Obviously Green had enough. He scratched him 8 straight. The guy is done. Probably my most hated Canuck ever.

[2Fingers]

Posted this earlier, but I think the best we can hope for, other than him being a 'throw in' for a blockbuster trade is:

Loui (50% retained) + 3rd round pick for future considerations (something like a 7th round pick)

We loose a decent asset but get 3 mil in cap savings. That I think might be the best we can hope for.

I would rather send him to Utica and get 1 mil in savings then give up a 1st.

I liked Sl trade which was Demko + LE and we receive a 2nd back.

If Demko is the starting goalie we all thought then a younger team like Ottawa/Detroit might do this deal knowing that LE will be gone before they need his space and they just picked up one of the most promising young goalies in the market.