The Great Jim Benning Debate! (And personal insult thread)

[Chef Boi RD]

I’m blaming Gillis for the tire fire he left behind for the next GM to fix. Something you vehemently refuse to acknowledge, acknowledging that turning around that tire fire (dousing it, or controlling the flames) wasn’t going to be an easy task for the GM, to right over night. The wrongs were to deep rooted and entrenched like soldiers on Vimey Ridge. The impatient (can’t handle a rebuild) ones such as yourself simply struggled emotionally with this dousing of the tire fire on social media.

[Richardstroker69]

The blaming will never stop. That’s interesting. So in five or eight more years if the team still sucks it will still be the fault of Eye Bags. I mean who cares if all the players drafted from 2008-2012 have mostly retired.

Elmer has had one draft pick make an impact in four drafts. I’m obviously not going to include this years draft. I think every NHL team has more than one good player to show for four years of drafting. Some of them have four or five.

We all agree the drafting for this team was garbage for many years going back to the Nonis years. He did draft well in 04 but that’s it. From 05-12 this team didn’t draft a good NHL player. This isn’t news. The cupboard was bare.

Sure there are finally some good prospects but only a retard would believe all of them will turn out. Count on 30-35 %.

So if you are planning to blame Gillis for another decade I guess you don’t have much confidence in Elmer sorting things out on his own.

This year and especially the following season will be what Jim is judged on. If they’re isn’t an improvement in standings 2019-2020 season to the point of competing for a playoff spot, he’s gone, however, what Benning has done has set up the team with a future core that linden and the next gm should be able to capitalize on. Waiting for prospects takes patience though blob my friend.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Dude, I’ve acknowledged that Gillis left a bare cupboard and that the drafting was piss poor from 2005-2012. Do you have reading comprehension isssues? This is coming up on year 5. At what point will more than one draft pick make an impact and at what point will a decent team emerge. Elmer can’t keep losing and keep his job. He has a two year deal with a team option. He’s on a choke chain.

The old party line about not being able to handle a rebuild. In case you forget I’m the guy who wants the GM to acquire more picks in order to rebuild and develop a deep organization similar to what the Jets and Predators have done. You and your crew want to fastrack the rebuild by trading picks and kids for mid 20 something players like Sutter, Gudbranson, Baertschi, Vey, Pedan, Pouliott etc. You guys can’t wait for future draft picks to develop and want instant gratification. But it’s me that can’t handle a rebuild.

[Blob Mckenzie]

The blaming will never stop. That’s interesting. So in five or eight more years if the team still sucks it will still be the fault of Eye Bags. I mean who cares if all the players drafted from 2008-2012 have mostly retired.

Elmer has had one draft pick make an impact in four drafts. I’m obviously not going to include this years draft. I think every NHL team has more than one good player to show for four years of drafting. Some of them have four or five.

We all agree the drafting for this team was garbage for many years going back to the Nonis years. He did draft well in 04 but that’s it. From 05-12 this team didn’t draft a good NHL player. This isn’t news. The cupboard was bare.

Sure there are finally some good prospects but only a retard would believe all of them will turn out. Count on 30-35 %.

So if you are planning to blame Gillis for another decade I guess you don’t have much confidence in Elmer sorting things out on his own.

This year and especially the following season will be what Jim is judged on. If they’re isn’t an improvement in standings 2019-2020 season to the point of competing for a playoff spot, he’s gone, however, what Benning has done has set up the team with a future core that linden and the next gm should be able to capitalize on. Waiting for prospects takes patience though blob my friend.

That’s a well thought out post. I am patient Dick. I just am genuinely curious when Astoria Dude will actually judge the GM good and bad and quit blaming the previous administration for everything. It has to end at some point doesn’t it?

[Cousin Strawberry]

My guess is that the rebuild will require another 2 years of high drafting. I think theyll show promise along the way and having 2 superstar calibre assets in EP and QH coming in soon will accentuate what it takes to climb out of the well.

The rebuild is like the coquihalla. We just passed the last hope turn off and have that huge fuckin hill to go. The toll booth is still a ways away and merrit is so far you might as well have a nap at the summit

[Meds]

2014 - Nylander, Ehlers, Larkin, and Pastrnak.

In the cases of Nylander and Ehlers it’s hard to say if they become the same players in Vancouver under Willie’s Moustache and with lesser linemates. Larkin’s speed probably makes him an impact player here a year later than in Detroit. Pastrnak developer alongside some of the best defensive forwards in the game, he wouldn’t have had that here.....but still, Elmer passed on him twice!

2015 - Boeser at 23 was grand larsny.

2016 - Tkachuk, Keller, Sergachev, McAvoy, Chychrun.

Benning missed on 5 players that have played NHL minutes in a regular role. Juolevi could still eclipse them all, but none of us are seeing that right now. The argument about Willie D remains.

2017 - Pettersson has a chance to be the best player from that class.

2018 - Hughes falling to 7th was a boon. Jim did well to take advantage of that.

His misses seem like they outweigh his hits so far, especially at the NHL level.

[Topper]

gave up watching because he can't handle a rebuild

[2Fingers]

Good post Blob, RD has a limited reading capability. You acknowledge the bare cupboards and he ignored that.

You also indicated that after several years of drafting JB results have not been on genius level and he ignored that.

Accept it, RD will never acknowledge when he is wrong, or God forbid, JB is not as good as a few here think he is.

[Blob Mckenzie]

gave up watching because he can't handle a rebuild

Or didn’t watch because the team was using slugs like Dowd, Jokinnen, Motte etc. They have developed one player in three seasons. You only watch all 82 because you live in a village of 150 people and you guys make an event out the NHL games and have a community potluck.

[Strangelove]

Good post Blob

[Cousin Strawberry]

Good post Blob

Bwahahaha!

[Carl Yagro]

[Cousin Strawberry]

Reef now to be known as Old Gary

[Chef Boi RD]

Good post Blob, RD has a limited reading capability. You acknowledge the bare cupboards and he ignored that.

You also indicated that after several years of drafting JB results have not been on genius level and he ignored that.

Accept it, RD will never acknowledge when he is wrong, or God forbid, JB is not as good as a few here think he is.

Still “tunneling” Trump I see

[Ronning's Ghost]

An insult to avoid the question. I submit that you should be setting a higher standard, Doc.

I have conceded for the sake of argument that Benning inherited an absolute black hole of a team, worse than any expansion team, with no prospects in the pipeline, and (in spite of having won the President's Trophy two years in a row just two seasons before that) no veteran talent that would return anything in trade. Maybe under a gypsy curse, too. However bad you want to say it was, I will make no argument.

Having said that, there is now only one player contract on the Canucks not signed by the current ownership/management group (Edler), and it is by no means the worst contract on the team. For better or worse, the Canucks are now Benning's team.

Strangelove was willing to boldly offer us a (now infamous) timeline for the Canucks return to the playoffs. I'm sure posters here would read any revisions to the forecast with interest. Heck, we don't know what any new free agents and/or the kids could do; it might still come true. My question, though -- and I think Blob's, too -- is what is the minimum standard for improvement before an objective observer would concede that this rebuild path has been unsuccessful?

I interpret UDL's post as 3 more years -- "another 2 years of high drafting" -- and, presumably, then a successful season. So, the playoffs (at least) by 2021? Is that the standard of the "Benning is a Genius" faction? But then they win at least 3 Stanley Cups in the next 6 years after that, right?