The Great Jim Benning Debate! (And personal insult thread)

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Holy cow Bub, there isn’t a GM in hockey history that wouldn’t love a do over! What is this? Bat .500 you suck forever? Chiarelli still drafting Puljiarvi in his do-over? Treliving still drafting Bennett in his do-over? Snow drafting Dal Colle in his do-over?. Coyotes still drafting Strome?..,,,,,,,,,

Oh, every GM trades picks for players rebuilding or not. Edmonton, Calgary, Arizona etc
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RoyalDude wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:54 pm Oh, every GM trades picks for players rebuilding or not. Edmonton, Calgary, Arizona etc
I'm not going to spend the research time to verify that, but I submit that a Genius GM on a rebuilding team would not.
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Ronning's Ghost wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:50 am
RoyalDude wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:54 pm Oh, every GM trades picks for players rebuilding or not. Edmonton, Calgary, Arizona etc
I'm not going to spend the research time to verify that, but I submit that a Genius GM on a rebuilding team would not.
Genius GMs will do anything to get to their final masterpiece. They will sacrifice more pawns than your typical non-genius GMs to get to where they are going and most will have no idea where they are going or what tricks they have up their sleeves in this process, you cannot telegraph what a genius GM will do next, not even I. Check mate?!?!
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RoyalDude wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:38 am
Ronning's Ghost wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:50 am
RoyalDude wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:54 pm Oh, every GM trades picks for players rebuilding or not. Edmonton, Calgary, Arizona etc
I'm not going to spend the research time to verify that, but I submit that a Genius GM on a rebuilding team would not.
Genius GMs will do anything to get to their final masterpiece. They will sacrifice more pawns than your typical non-genius GMs to get to where they are going and most will have no idea where they are going or what tricks they have up their sleeves in this process, you cannot telegraph what a genius GM will do next, not even I. Check mate?!?!
I concede that I have already agreed that for purposes of our discussion, I will defer any criticism of the process and judge the quality of the moves by the outcome they produce. This means, though, that your arguments for Benning's genius are tied to that outcome. No Masterpiece, no Genius.

So again, how much longer does the genius need to stand at the easel ? How many Stanley Cup Championships in a Masterpiece, anyway ? Four ?
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Ronning's Ghost wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:37 am No Masterpiece, no Genius.
So again, how much longer does the genius need to stand at the easel ? How many Stanley Cup Championships in a Masterpiece, anyway ? Four ?
For this franchise... one.

Any GM, coach or top players will be classified as deities in Vancouver. If that happens to be Benning, then yes, he could and should be considered a genius for doing something nobody else could in 50+ years.

At this point, I don't care about who that person is, which players are involved as long as this franchise wins a Cup at some point while I'm above ground.

In the meantime, I'll just try to enjoy watching this new generation of Canucks work some magic.
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Cornuck wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:44 am
Ronning's Ghost wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:37 am No Masterpiece, no Genius.
So again, how much longer does the genius need to stand at the easel ? How many Stanley Cup Championships in a Masterpiece, anyway ? Four ?
For this franchise... one.

Any GM, coach or top players will be classified as deities in Vancouver. If that happens to be Benning, then yes, he could and should be considered a genius for doing something nobody else could in 50+ years.

At this point, I don't care about who that person is, which players are involved as long as this franchise wins a Cup at some point while I'm above ground.

In the meantime, I'll just try to enjoy watching this new generation of Canucks work some magic.
Agree 1,000% and something I strongly believe in. I do not care for the name on the back anymore, win me a freaking cup.

If it takes a Marchand type of player then sign him.
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Ronning's Ghost wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:37 am
RoyalDude wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:38 am
Ronning's Ghost wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:50 am
RoyalDude wrote: Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:54 pm Oh, every GM trades picks for players rebuilding or not. Edmonton, Calgary, Arizona etc
I'm not going to spend the research time to verify that, but I submit that a Genius GM on a rebuilding team would not.
Genius GMs will do anything to get to their final masterpiece. They will sacrifice more pawns than your typical non-genius GMs to get to where they are going and most will have no idea where they are going or what tricks they have up their sleeves in this process, you cannot telegraph what a genius GM will do next, not even I. Check mate?!?!
I concede that I have already agreed that for purposes of our discussion, I will defer any criticism of the process and judge the quality of the moves by the outcome they produce. This means, though, that your arguments for Benning's genius are tied to that outcome. No Masterpiece, no Genius.

So again, how much longer does the genius need to stand at the easel ? How many Stanley Cup Championships in a Masterpiece, anyway ? Four ?
It doesn’t take a genius to see the genius in progress. It’s like watching Leonardo DaVinci in the middle of painting the Mona Lisa
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Cornuck wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:44 am
For this franchise... one.
One ? Managing a team to one Stanley Cup victory makes a genius ?

What does that make Selke, Pollock, Torrey, and Sather ? Alien super-evolved hyper-intelligences ? Kind of selfish of them to keep the proof to the Riemann hypothesis to themselves, dontcha think ?
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RoyalDude wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:24 pm It doesn’t take a genius to see the genius in progress. It’s like watching Leonardo DaVinci in the middle of painting the Mona Lisa
The middle ? As in, half way ? Half way in time, so the (first in a long series of) Stanley Cup(s) comes to Vancouver in 2022, or halfway in process, so that half the players of the Masterpiece team are in the system now (or will be after this draft) ?

Would you be willing to tell me (after the draft, of course) which players those are ?
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Ronning's Ghost wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:07 pm
Cornuck wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:44 am
For this franchise... one.
One ? Managing a team to one Stanley Cup victory makes a genius ?

What does that make Selke, Pollock, Torrey, and Sather ? Alien super-evolved hyper-intelligences ? Kind of selfish of them to keep the proof to the Riemann hypothesis to themselves, dontcha think ?
Not one of those guys managed to win a Cup with the Canucks. :wink:
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Ronning's Ghost wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:07 pm
Cornuck wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:44 am For this franchise... one.
One ? Managing a team to one Stanley Cup victory makes a genius ?

What does that make Selke, Pollock, Torrey, and Sather ? Alien super-evolved hyper-intelligences ? Kind of selfish of them to keep the proof to the Riemann hypothesis to themselves, dontcha think ?

I'm sure if Jimmy wanted, he could easily prove that the mathematical path of the Riemann Hypothesis will always lie true.

However... and thankfully... he is never distracted from rebuilding my Vancouver Canucks.
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Except when he’s chugging Royal Red out of a paper bag
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So will this be the year that this is finally Bennings team? He’s now had five drafts, he’s heading to his fifth UFA season and hes had 4 + years to make trades. At what point does this team become his creation? The twins are gone and Tanev will either be traded or leave when he’s a UFA. That leaves Edler and Horvat.

I’m just curious when certain posters will stop blaming the former GM for this teams woes.
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Blob Mckenzie wrote: Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:18 am So will this be the year that this is finally Bennings team? He’s now had five drafts, he’s heading to his fifth UFA season and hes had 4 + years to make trades. At what point does this team become his creation? The twins are gone and Tanev will either be traded or leave when he’s a UFA. That leaves Edler and Horvat.

I’m just curious when certain posters will stop blaming the former GM for this teams woes.
The blaming will never stop due to the state of the organization that Gillis left behind for the next GM. The organization Gillis left behind owned the leagues worst prospect pool combined with an old aging core group well past their prime on untradeable NTC contracts plus a disgruntled Kesler, no proven goalies in the system, a cokehead whom we gave up the 10th overall pick for, a player Benning had to buyout. Keeping the Sedins happy and a black hole with the exception of Tanev in players in that early to mid twenties age group

Where and why did you think it was going to be easy for the next GM?

Bottom line is - Benning has assembled an amazing looking future. Hasn’t looked this good in years!!!!!!!
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The blaming will never stop. That’s interesting. So in five or eight more years if the team still sucks it will still be the fault of Eye Bags. I mean who cares if all the players drafted from 2008-2012 have mostly retired.

Elmer has had one draft pick make an impact in four drafts. I’m obviously not going to include this years draft. I think every NHL team has more than one good player to show for four years of drafting from 2014-2017. Some of them have four or five.

We all agree the drafting for this team was garbage for many years going back to the Nonis years. He did draft well in 04 but that’s it. From 05-12 this team didn’t draft a good NHL player. This isn’t news. The cupboard was bare.

Sure there are finally some good prospects but only a retard would believe all of them will turn out. Count on 30-35 %.

So if you are planning to blame Gillis for another decade I guess you don’t have much confidence in Elmer sorting things out on his own.
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