Canucks Young Guns
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- DonCherry4PM
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Thanks, Bingo.BingoTough wrote: ↑Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:10 pmhttp://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nhl/news ... 7xf13037kgMadcombinepilot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:54 pm Saw on twitter that Boeser popped a Hattie in first game of Da Beauty League today.
Indicates good things regarding his back injury.
Nice to see that beautiful shot at work again.
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I’m somewhat indifferent with Hughes for this season. I would really like to watch him play because he’s going to be very entertaining, but if he goes back to Michigan for the year it’s not a bad thing given the tire fire of a team we are likely to have.Reefer2 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:21 pm http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/news/nh ... sgqzv3rpl5
Some Hughes love.
If we have to enjoy Boeser, Pettersson and whichever other kids make the team that’s good enough for me, as we are already stuck with garbage like Gagner, Eriksson and Sutter who are about as exciting as watching paint dry. The more kids the better IMHO so hopefully a few make the team even with the current logjam in place.
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And wrist, legitimate nhl snipesMadcombinepilot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:54 pm Saw on twitter that Boeser popped a Hattie in first game of Da Beauty League today.
Indicates good things regarding his back injury.
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Out: Sedin, Sedin, Vanek, Jokinen, Dowd
In: Petersson, Gaudette, Goldobin, Hughes
Tire fire of offence? Time will tell.
Infusion of speed? Absolutely no doubt
In: Petersson, Gaudette, Goldobin, Hughes
Tire fire of offence? Time will tell.
Infusion of speed? Absolutely no doubt
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All this Quinn Hughes talk I think is good for Juolevi - he's assumed to be starting in the AHL already, but now that he is out of the micro Vancouver spotlight, maybe he steals the preseason show, the darkhorse Finlandian.
Can the Canucks just win a Cup within the next 5 years.
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-bumping change purses sure lowers the flagpole though
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One of these things is not like the others: elite, elite, crap, elite.
Just because Botchford sings Goldobin’s praises at every opportunity doesn’t mean he is no longer a bubble player at best. The guy is carried by Virtanen in garbage games at the end of last season and puts up a few points and now he is being grouped with Pettersson, Gaudette and Hughes?
If Botchford were GM the top line would be Goldobin, Gagner, and Leipsic. The guy is either an idiot or hopefully for his sake playing the devil’s advocate. He has an excellent eye for defensively weak, semi-skilled players who can only play on a team’s top six and will always disappear in crunch time. I think the man fantasizes about bringing back those sub-500 Tanti/Shriko line-ups of yesteryear. After a stint in Utica, Dahlen and Lind are replacing those mediocre players, likely by Christmas. Goldobin and Gagner are not long for this team. Leipsic might win a 13th forward job if he is lucky. There is a better chance Goldobin will be in the KHL after this coming season than he’ll be on the Canucks. Gagner should be gone before the season starts, but if not, he’ll be traded by the deadline. He had his chance to get his buddy Tavares to sign in Vancouver and he blew it, so his days of place-holding are numbered.
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Goldobin > JokinenCherry Picker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:35 amOne of these things is not like the others: elite, elite, crap, elite.
Just because Botchford sings Goldobin’s praises at every opportunity doesn’t mean he is no longer a bubble player at best. The guy is carried by Virtanen in garbage games at the end of last season and puts up a few points and now he is being grouped with Pettersson, Gaudette and Hughes?
If Botchford were GM the top line would be Goldobin, Gagner, and Leipsic. The guy is either an idiot or hopefully for his sake playing the devil’s advocate. He has an excellent eye for defensively weak, semi-skilled players who can only play on a team’s top six and will always disappear in crunch time. I think the man fantasizes about bringing back those sub-500 Tanti/Shriko line-ups of yesteryear. After a stint in Utica, Dahlen and Lind are replacing those mediocre players, likely by Christmas. Goldobin and Gagner are not long for this team. Leipsic might win a 13th forward job if he is lucky. There is a better chance Goldobin will be in the KHL after this coming season than he’ll be on the Canucks. Gagner should be gone before the season starts, but if not, he’ll be traded by the deadline. He had his chance to get his buddy Tavares to sign in Vancouver and he blew it, so his days of place-holding are numbered.
The point is there are younger, faster, more hungry kids coming in to training camp this year that should provide a more balanced attack. If it not for his work ethic, I would have given up on Goldy already. His skills are undeniable, his attitude (while cocky) is good and he's got Igor for an agent/mentor which are all good signs.
But if you'd rather...
Dahlen < Jokinen
My argument still stands.
Side note: Don't ever confuse my opinions of being in any way influenced by Botchford again.
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You may be right, but I really thought Goldobin’s play improved markedly at the end of the season. That isn’t to say he is “elite” but it may be a sign that his stars are changing (in the right direction). Maybe it’s just typical over-valuation but I’m definitely not ready to give up on him just yet.Cherry Picker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:35 amOne of these things is not like the others: elite, elite, crap, elite.
Just because Botchford sings Goldobin’s praises at every opportunity doesn’t mean he is no longer a bubble player at best. The guy is carried by Virtanen in garbage games at the end of last season and puts up a few points and now he is being grouped with Pettersson, Gaudette and Hughes?
If Botchford were GM the top line would be Goldobin, Gagner, and Leipsic. The guy is either an idiot or hopefully for his sake playing the devil’s advocate. He has an excellent eye for defensively weak, semi-skilled players who can only play on a team’s top six and will always disappear in crunch time. I think the man fantasizes about bringing back those sub-500 Tanti/Shriko line-ups of yesteryear. After a stint in Utica, Dahlen and Lind are replacing those mediocre players, likely by Christmas. Goldobin and Gagner are not long for this team. Leipsic might win a 13th forward job if he is lucky. There is a better chance Goldobin will be in the KHL after this coming season than he’ll be on the Canucks. Gagner should be gone before the season starts, but if not, he’ll be traded by the deadline. He had his chance to get his buddy Tavares to sign in Vancouver and he blew it, so his days of place-holding are numbered.
Also, while I’m fully behind Gaudette, so far his play in the big league hasn’t exactly been a revelation. For sure give the kid time but calling kids elite before they have established anything in the NHL usually makes me a bit nervous (that goes for Elias and Quin too). Brock I’m pretty comfortable with.
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I hope Gaudette becomes a great player but he is not elite yet.
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To clear up confusion, he’s an elite prospect, not elite NHL player, at least not yet. I think winning the Hobey Baker award makes him that. I think ultimately he’ll be a good second line NHL centre. Still, defensively he is already more valuable than Goldobin or Gagner. With Goldobin and Gagner there are more goals scored on both ends of the ice. But you likely give up three goals to get one. With Gaudette there may be less scoring, but at least the team breaks even.
Sorry for the comparison to Botchford, just any support for Goldobin reminds me so much of his recent diatribes that make me just cringe. Give up on Goldobin, his time on the Canucks is coming to an inglorious end no matter who his agent is.
Sorry for the comparison to Botchford, just any support for Goldobin reminds me so much of his recent diatribes that make me just cringe. Give up on Goldobin, his time on the Canucks is coming to an inglorious end no matter who his agent is.
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I've lowered my expectations on Goldobin, but I'm not quite to ready to drive him to the airport.
One stat has me retain my interest. We all love Boeser's shot of course, and I've 'felt' that Goldobin wasn't on the same level - but with a 16% shot percentage (vs Brock's 16.2) - but what I can't find is a state for 'shots at net', vs 'shots on net', and maybe that's where Brock shines? Maybe that's what I'm seeing, Goldobin just missing the net a lot more often?
One stat has me retain my interest. We all love Boeser's shot of course, and I've 'felt' that Goldobin wasn't on the same level - but with a 16% shot percentage (vs Brock's 16.2) - but what I can't find is a state for 'shots at net', vs 'shots on net', and maybe that's where Brock shines? Maybe that's what I'm seeing, Goldobin just missing the net a lot more often?
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And then there's Gaudette's 4 posts at the end of last year that say Hi.
"evolution"