It's getting warm

[Strangelove]

ya man. The Leg has had some fucked up ideas over the years and this ones out there

We the people want to hear it!

Come on man, what are you scared of, don't make me beg!

Use the Conspiracy Theory thread some stoned evening, gonna be a long summer, c'mon!

[Per]

As you can see, oil market prices are now less than half of what they used to be in 2012-2014.
Why? Supply is greater than demand.

This is great news. It means less money (=less power) to the Russians and the Saudis.

Oil consumption may have risen, as the new price equilibrium around USD 50 per barrell makes it affordable for third world countries, but in most developed countries fossil fuels are already being phased out.



As seen in the graph, fossil fuel consumption in the EU peaked somewhere around 2005-2006 and has fallen since then. Oil actually peaked in the late 70's and coal in the 80's. After that natural gas increased for a while but has now also started to drop. The renewables are just getting started but increase their share rapidly.

[Strangelove]

^ Now you're talking about just the European Union

... where they have made the phasing out of fossil fuels a "priority".

(despite the fact this is harmful to the economy, they are purposely cutting the supply!)

(btw you bastards are doing harm to oil-producing Russia and they shall have their revenge!)

Earlier you were talking about global fossil fuel consumption when you said:

“fossil fuels are becoming obsolete” and that it is becoming an “obsolete industry”.

However globally:


The violet curve gives a 3 year running mean for the variation of the volume of oil produced worldwide.
The blue one gives the 3 year running mean for the variation of the GDP per capita on world average.
This suggest that the dependency of our economic system on oil has increased and not decreased since the first oil shocks, which is consistent with the development of globalization, that heavily relies on international transportation.


World GDP in constant dollars (vertical axis) plotted against the world oil consumption in million tonnes (horizontal axis), from 1965 to 2014. Green: data from 1965 to 1982, Red: data from 1983 to 2014.



(to see the entire picture, right-click on graph, choose "open image in new tab")

[Per]

The increase in oil consumption is completely driven by the reduction of poverty in China and India.
As more people can afford cars, the sales of petrol and diesel increase.



But even China and India are trying to move away from fossil fuels. This chart shows oil as a percentage of totla energy consumption for a number of regions:


Because China's total energy consumption grows so rapidly, demand for oil, for the time present, also grows, but they are undertaking great efforts to reduce fossil fuels in order to improve the air quality in the major cities, which today is rather toxic. It's quite common that they issue warnings against going outside due to the poor air quality.

This is why they are now investing heavily in solar energy and are planning a yearly output of 7 million electric cars.
Oil and coal need to go away so that they can breathe without fear of the consequences.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/23/1539 ... revolution
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech ... ar-energy/

[Mickey107]

Many Chinese immigrants wear masks when walking our streets too.
My son gets embarrassed when I pull over and ask; "Isn't our air good enough for ya?"

[Per]

Many Chinese immigrants wear masks when walking our streets too.
My son gets embarrassed when I pull over and ask; "Isn't our air good enough for ya?"

They actually tend to do that when they have a cold, in order to not make other people sick.

[Strangelove]

Many Chinese immigrants wear masks when walking our streets too.
My son gets embarrassed when I pull over and ask; "Isn't our air good enough for ya?"

They actually tend to do that when they have a cold, in order to not make other people sick.

Per: "Nothing to see here folks, move along!"

Oh you lefties and your not-so-hidden agendas!

Solar power provides just 1% of global consumption, it's going nowhere fast.

(btw did you notice my graphs are much more up-to-date than yours?)

Global fossil fuel consumption is increasing and, as the Leg pointed out, the population is growing.

(also 1.2 billion people right now don't have access to electricity... yet)

It is not good economics to cut the supply of fossil fuels... and it definitely won't "save the planet".

Pastel pink politics...

[2Fingers]

Many Chinese immigrants wear masks when walking our streets too.
My son gets embarrassed when I pull over and ask; "Isn't our air good enough for ya?"

Really Mick?

As Per said it is because they have a cold or in some areas they wear it so they don't get sick from others.

[Per]

Oh you lefties and your not-so-hidden agendas!

Yeah, you love calling me a leftist, but I'm more of a classic liberal and pretty close to the BC liberals on most issues. But sure, if you consider the BC Liberals leftist.....

Solar power provides just 1% of global consumption, it's going nowhere fast.

Solar power provided 1% (or 1.1% or 1.05% depending on how much rounding up different sources do) in 2015. But it increased by roughly 50-80% in 2016, which is why I say "closer to 2%". Sadly, international reports take time to accumulate, so the 2015 numbers are the most recent that are out easily accessible. Projections vary but all predict continued strong growth over the decades to come.
http://fortune.com/2016/04/16/ray-kurzw ... -12-years/

(btw did you notice my graphs are much more up-to-date than yours?)

Yeah, I had problems finding good graphs, as all the info out there is outdated.

Pastel pink politics...

On the contrary, communists love coal and nuclear. This is green politics.
And as you know, red and green are supplimentary colours, so they are the opposite of each other.
But I guess you may be colour blind? That's actually fairly common.
8% of all males and 0.5% of North European women have this affliction.

[Island Nucklehead]

Oh you lefties and your not-so-hidden agendas!

Yeah, you love calling me a leftist, but I'm more of a classic liberal and pretty close to the BC liberals on most issues. But sure, if you consider the BC Liberals leftist.....

Doc is pretty much a facist. Everyone is a leftist to him.

[Strangelove]

Doc is pretty much a facist. Everyone is a leftist to him.

"Fascism" can left or right.... you Nucklehead.

As a matter of fact the original concept was a left-wing construct.

Read Liberal Fascism by Goldberg and get back to us.

Per claims to be middle... and maybe he is... but he seems to spew a lot of Neoliberalism, just sayin..

[Per]

Doc is pretty much a facist. Everyone is a leftist to him.

"Fascism" can [be] left or right.... you Nucklehead.

Not really. What would be left wing fascism has a specific name, communism, which means that when you talk about fascism, it is always right wing. Otherwise you say communism.

As a matter of fact the original concept was a left-wing construct.

Too a large part true. Mussolini, the founding father of fascism, was originally a member of the communist party, and he borrowed heavily from communism when creating his own ideology. But, being Italian, he centred his ideology around family, church and nation. Concepts normally more central on the right than left side of the political spectrum. And even though Mussolini himself tried to point out similarities between his fascist party and the social democratic parties of Europe, the latter frowned on this and pointed out the differences.

If you look at the fascist sibling, falangism, that rose to power through the civil war in Spain in the 1930's and managed to hold on to power until General Franco's Death in 1975, there is no questioning that it was extremely right wing. And this is how I understand fascism. That being said, fascism and falangism were key influences both for Peron in Argentina, who is usually considered to be fairly left wing, and for the corporativist version of socialism found on Cuba. In many ways Cuba seems almost as influenced by fascism as by communism, albeit lacking the typical religious fervor of generic fascism.

Read Liberal Fascism by Goldberg and get back to us.

Now, this is where things really go wrong. Some of the most central tenets of liberalism are democracy, freedom of speech and free trade. Some of the most central tenets of fascism are authoritarian rule, government control of media and market protectionism. Most of the rest is just make up, and changing over time. Thus fascism and liberalism are opposites. To claim otherwise is to neither understand what liberalism or fascism is.

Now, I do realize that "liberal" is often used as a euphemism for socialist in the USA. That doesn't make it right.
To powder your nose is not the same thing as taking a piss, even if many state to intend to do the former, when actually wanting to do the latter. It's just a euphemism. It is not truthful.

Per claims to be middle... and maybe he is... but he seems to spew a lot of Neoliberalism, just sayin..

Neoliberalism...? You mean like Milton Friedman, Reagan and Thatcher?!
No, I'm definitely to the left of them.

Albeit I do share their conviction regarding the intrinsic benefits of free trade.
But that goes for all liberals, whether classic, social, BC or neo-.

[Strangelove]

Per, books have been written on fascism and the experts agree on just one thing:

It's a tough animal to nail down.

And so are you my friend.

[Per]

Per, books have been written on fascism and the experts agree on just one thing:

It's a tough animal to nail down.

And so are you my friend.

Now, drop that nail gun and keep your hands where I can see them!

[Per]

Syria, Nicaragua and now possibly also the USA.

Question: what UN members are not supporting the Paris Agreement?