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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Strangelove » Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:00 pm

5thhorseman wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:36 am
How is any of that even relevant?
Relax, no one said they were going to try to put an end to the silly "investigation" based on the fact the whistleblower is a swamp thing.

But I'd say it's "relevant" in that it shows Lord Trump really was investigating corrupt swamp things.

(as opposed to the whistleblower accusation: Trumpy was pressuring Zelensky to help frame an innocent man: Evil Joe Biden)

(do you see the irony here btw in that part: TRUMP trying to frame an innocent man?) :lol:

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Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:36 am
Even if the whistleblower had ulterior motives, isn't all that matters is whether the activity he brought to light is true and whether it warrants impeachment? The whistleblower could have acted on Biden's direction for all I care; it doesn't affect the truth (or not) of whether Trump committed impeachable acts.
The whistleblower/Dems said the transcript of the phone call would prove your "impeachable acts".

Trump was lightning fast in producing said transcript (did not have to) and the transcript showed NO "impeachable acts".

Now the Dems are playing their silly "investigation" games, just like with the Russian collusion game.

Remember that one? :lol:

Now let me get this straight 5th...

You desperately want Lord Trump investigated because you care about truth, justice, and the American way

... but you don't give a flying fuck how crooked Prez-candidate/ex-VP Joe, the whistleblower, and the Dems may be! Image
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Strangelove » Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:05 pm

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Trump’s 'lack of decorum, dignity, and statesmanship' By Evan Sayet in his article "He Fights

My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #NeverTrumpers) constantly ask me if I’m not bothered by Donald Trump’s lack of decorum. They ask if I don’t think his tweets are “beneath the dignity of the office.”

Here’s my answer: We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency.

We tried statesmanship.

Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized “collegiality” as John McCain?

We tried propriety – has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney?

And the results were always the same. This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob.

I don’t find anything “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper” about Barack Obama’s lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party.

I don’t see anything “dignified” in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks.

I don’t see anything “statesman-like” in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent.

Yes, Obama was “articulate” and “polished” but in no way was he in the least bit “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper.”

The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the ‘60's. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale.. It has been a war they’ve fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one – the violent take-over of the universities – till today.

The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety.

With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America ’s first wartime president in the Culture War.

During wartime, things like “dignity” and “collegiality” simply aren’t the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming.

Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today.

Lincoln rightly recognized that, “I cannot spare this man. He fights.”

General George Patton was a vulgar-talking.. In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum then, Hitler and the Socialists would barely be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.

Trump is fighting. And what’s particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel’s, he’s shouting, “You magnificent bastards, I read your book!”

That is just the icing on the cake, but it’s wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he’s defeating the Left using their own tactics. That book is Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals – a book so essential to the Liberals’ war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton’s senior thesis.

It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted, Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.

Trump’s tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinsky suggested his followers do. First, instead of going after “the fake media” — and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri — Trump isolated CNN.. He made it personal.

Then, just as Alinsky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as “the most powerful weapon of all.”... Most importantly, Trump’s tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. ... They need to respond.

This leaves them with only two choices. They can either “go high” (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery. The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve. It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive.

Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama’s close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers & Bernardine Dohrn), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright’s church.

Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration’s weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration’s cover-up.

So, to my friends on the Left — and the #NeverTrumpers as well — do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be “collegial” and “dignified” and “proper”? Of course I do.

These aren’t those times. This is war. And it’s a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.

So, say anything you want about this president - I get it - he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times. I don’t care. I can’t spare this man. He fights for America!

Please pass this on..over and over, and again and again...
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Per » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:13 am

Strangelove wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:00 pm
5thhorseman wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:36 am
How is any of that even relevant?
Relax, no one said they were going to try to put an end to the silly "investigation" based on the fact the whistleblower is a swamp thing.
So... let me get this straight, what you’re saying is that if you see someone you know get mugged, and you call the cops, the cops should pay no attention to your call since you happen to know the guy who got mugged? :eh:

Interesting. :|
But I'd say it's "relevant" in that it shows Lord Trump really was investigating corrupt swamp things.
Which is in itself reason to impeach. A president in a democracy should not be investigating political opponents.
That’s the kind of thing you do in dictatorships. In a democracy you separate the executive branch from the judicial branch of government. Sure, the justice department, which technically is part of the executive branch, can order the FBI to look into matters, but the investigation should be lead by a prosecutor, from the judicial branch, and it is also up to the judicial branch to determine guilt.

In this case it seems the president tried to get around the correct legal procedures and instead had his attorney (Giuliani), the secretary of state (Pompeo) and the secretary of energy (Rick Perry) undertake some sort of conspiracy to involve foreign governments in a witch hunt with the objective to undermine the reputation of Trump’s political opponents.

It’s exactly as bizarre as it sounds, and has nothing to do with the job they are supposed to do when they’re on the clock for tax payers’ money. It is even worse than if they were playing golf when they’re supposed to work, because what they now did seems to have been largely illegal and unconstitutional. The kind of stuff you could end up in jail over.

(as opposed to the whistleblower accusation: Trumpy was pressuring Zelensky to help frame an innocent man: Evil Joe Biden)
Whether or not Biden is guilty or innocent is irrelevant. Trump was trying to get a foreign government to influence the outcome of an American election. In my book that is what is referred to as treason.

As president of the USA Trump has sworn to uphold the constitution, and as far as I understand, the constitution specifically bans this.

Which is probably also why a majority of the American public (51% according to Fox News) now support impeachment of him.
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:36 am
Even if the whistleblower had ulterior motives, isn't all that matters is whether the activity he brought to light is true and whether it warrants impeachment? The whistleblower could have acted on Biden's direction for all I care; it doesn't affect the truth (or not) of whether Trump committed impeachable acts.
The whistleblower/Dems said the transcript of the phone call would prove your "impeachable acts".

Trump was lightning fast in producing said transcript (did not have to) and the transcript showed NO "impeachable acts".
:lol: :lol: :lol:

You’re a funny guy! :D

We all know that congress had approved aid to the Ukraine and that Trump had frozen the transactions.
Then on the phone, when Zelensky starts talking about their need of American weapon systems, Trump interrupts and says he needs Zelensky to do him a favour though. Voilá. A smoking gun. What more can you ask for?
Straight out of the godfather movies.

You get the balls of the guy in a tight grip. Then you ask him for a favour.

And that’s how a mobster does business.
Now let me get this straight 5th...

You desperately want Lord Trump investigated because you care about truth, justice, and the American way

... but you don't give a flying fuck how crooked Prez-candidate/ex-VP Joe, the whistleblower, and the Dems may be!
Wow! Do you never tire of building strawmen? Must get tedious. :|
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Per » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:24 am

Strangelove wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:05 pm
https://www.linkedin.com/content-guest/ ... ian-mccall
Evan Sayet’s warped sense of reality

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Shouldn’t this be in the conspiracy theory thread? :|
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by ukcanuck » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:29 am

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Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:14 pm
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Strangelove » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:43 pm

Per wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:13 am
Strangelove wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:00 pm
5thhorseman wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:36 am
How is any of that even relevant?
Relax, no one said they were going to try to put an end to the silly "investigation" based on the fact the whistleblower is a swamp thing.
So... let me get this straight, what you’re saying is that if you see someone you know get mugged, and you call the cops, the cops should pay no attention to your call since you happen to know the guy who got mugged? :eh:
Hmmm, pretty sure I was suggesting the opposite...

Per wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:13 am
Strangelove wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:00 pm
But I'd say it's "relevant" in that it shows Lord Trump really was investigating corrupt swamp things.

(as opposed to the whistleblower accusation: Trumpy was pressuring Zelensky to help frame an innocent man: Evil Joe Biden)
Which is in itself reason to impeach. A president in a democracy should not be investigating political opponents.
Oops, bad choice of words on my part, allow me to rephrase:

It's "relevant" in that it shows Lord Trump was likely interested in Zelensky's investigation for legitimate reasons.

(as opposed to the whistleblower accusation: Trumpy was pressuring Zelensky to help frame an innocent man: Evil Joe Biden)

Per wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:13 am
Strangelove wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:00 pm
(as opposed to the whistleblower accusation: Trumpy was pressuring Zelensky to help frame an innocent man: Evil Joe Biden)
Whether or not Biden is guilty or innocent is irrelevant. Trump was trying to get a foreign government to influence the outcome of an American election. In my book that is what is referred to as treason.

As president of the USA Trump has sworn to uphold the constitution, and as far as I understand, the constitution specifically bans this.
You just based your argument upon a boldfaced lie. (in red)

And "not relevant" :lol: You lefties are bending over backwards trying to get folks to ignore Evil Joe's sins...

Per wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:13 am
Which is probably also why a majority of the American public (51% according to Fox News) now support impeachment of him.
That poll was proven to be illegitimate:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/1 ... ment-poll/

BTW it is hilarious you still trust polls after all those "Hillary will win in a landslide" polls. :mrgreen:

Per wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:13 am
Strangelove wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:00 pm
5thhorseman wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:36 am
Even if the whistleblower had ulterior motives, isn't all that matters is whether the activity he brought to light is true and whether it warrants impeachment? The whistleblower could have acted on Biden's direction for all I care; it doesn't affect the truth (or not) of whether Trump committed impeachable acts.
The whistleblower/Dems said the transcript of the phone call would prove your "impeachable acts".

Trump was lightning fast in producing said transcript (did not have to) and the transcript showed NO "impeachable acts".
:lol: :lol: :lol:

You’re a funny guy! :D

We all know that congress had approved aid to the Ukraine and that Trump had frozen the transactions.
Then on the phone, when Zelensky starts talking about their need of American weapon systems, Trump interrupts and says he needs Zelensky to do him a favour though. Voilá. A smoking gun. What more can you ask for?
Straight out of the godfather movies.

You get the balls of the guy in a tight grip. Then you ask him for a favour.

And that’s how a mobster does business.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

You Hollywood-loving lefties watch too many movies! :D

Yeahno, you need concrete evidence in the real world my friend! :lol:

Even Zelensky said y'all are nutty in regards to dat dere...

Per wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:13 am
Strangelove wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:00 pm
Now let me get this straight 5th...

You desperately want Lord Trump investigated because you care about truth, justice, and the American way

... but you don't give a flying fuck how crooked Prez-candidate/ex-VP Joe, the whistleblower, and the Dems may be!
Wow! Do you never tire of building strawmen? Must get tedious. :|
What Strawman? 5th has plainly stated a couple of times he doesn't care if Biden and the whistlebower are crooked!

"The concerns with whistleblowers potential motivation is just griping and grasping at straws" - 5th

"Even if the whistleblower had ulterior motives, isn't all that matters is whether the activity he brought to light is true and whether it warrants impeachment? The whistleblower could have acted on Biden's direction for all I care…" - 5th

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by rats19 » Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:37 am

Trump should be in jail.
For what?
His crimes.
What crimes?
Bad crimes.
What kind of crimes?
You know what kind.
No, I don’t. What kind of crimes?
You’re stupid. All of them.
All of what?
His crimes.
WHAT crimes?
You’re a racist. :mex:
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Post by Strangelove » Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:32 pm

https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan

Questions from Jim Jordan, ranking member of the US House of Representatives Oversight Committee:
Why did the “whistleblower” write an 800+ word memo describing President Trump and President Zelensky’s call based on second-hand information gleaned from a conversation that lasted just a few minutes?

Why did the “whistleblower” wait 18 days to file the complaint after describing the call as “frightening” in their memo?

Why and when did the “whistleblower” communicate with @RepAdamSchiff ’s staff before filing the complaint?

Why did the “whistleblower” hide from the ICIG that they met with @repadamschiff’s staff by not checking the box on the whistleblower form indicating they had spoken to Congress?

Why didn’t @RepAdamSchiff tell us his staff had met with the “whistleblower?”

Why didn’t the “whistleblower” just give his memo to the Inspector General, instead of a seven page complaint dressed up with extraneous citations and media references?

Why is @RepAdamSchiff holding hearings, depositions, and interviews behind closed doors?

Why won’t @RepAdamSchiff release the transcripts of these interviews, instead of leaking cherry-picked information that fits his narrative?

Why won’t @RepAdamSchiff take questions from the press after these interviews, like Republicans have done?

Why does @SpeakerPelosi think we need to “strike while the iron is hot,” instead of taking time for serious and thorough investigative fact-finding?

Why is @SpeakerPelosi scared to have a vote to open an official impeachment inquiry like it’s been done every other time?

Why do Democrats keep making up the rules as they go along, instead of following a fair process?

What work did the “whistleblower” do with a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate?
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by 5thhorseman » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:19 am

Strangelove wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:43 pm
Per wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:13 am
Strangelove wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:00 pm
Now let me get this straight 5th...

You desperately want Lord Trump investigated because you care about truth, justice, and the American way

... but you don't give a flying fuck how crooked Prez-candidate/ex-VP Joe, the whistleblower, and the Dems may be!
Wow! Do you never tire of building strawmen? Must get tedious. :|
What Strawman? 5th has plainly stated a couple of times he doesn't care if Biden and the whistlebower are crooked!

"The concerns with whistleblowers potential motivation is just griping and grasping at straws" - 5th

"Even if the whistleblower had ulterior motives, isn't all that matters is whether the activity he brought to light is true and whether it warrants impeachment? The whistleblower could have acted on Biden's direction for all I care…" - 5th

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Context, SL, context. In the context of whether the whistleblower's report to the ICIG was valid for starting an impeachment inquiry, yes, I don't care whether Biden was involved or the whistleblower had ulterior motives. It doesn't affect the validity of the report. It's a red herring for people who can't separate the issues.

But you're saying, with no caveats, without any other context, that I don't care whether Biden, the whistleblower, or the Dems in general (not sure where you got the Dems from, actually) are crooked. That's your straw man there, my friend. You're just lobbing me in with all those others with TDS (which, to be honest, is an apt description of what a lot of people have) when in reality I'm on the fence (well, maybe a bit more on the Dem side of the fence, but still on the fence).

The fact is, I do care. If they're crooked, prosectute them as well for whatever crimes they've committed. I'm all for clearing the swamp too, man!

Now a question for you. You think that Biden instigated the whistleblower report as a desparate attempt to distract from the investigation against him? That must mean you think he is on the brink of getting charged. Is that your prediction?

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Post by 5thhorseman » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:20 am

ukcanuck wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:29 am
Per wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:14 pm
Couple of minions going down:

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Bill Maher wanted to know if these two were last seen chasing Macaulay Culkin around his house a few christmas back? 😀
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Chef Boi RD » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:05 am

China owns 1.2 Trillion of U.S. debt with US Treasury Bonds. US is in in 22 Trillion US in debt and climbing. In Trumps mind the US economy has never been better, but in reality he’s driving the US into debt at a rate faster than any other previous President debt. Don’s income is treasury bonds being bought by China. China has the US by the balls. They could dump all those bonds fucking drive interests up to a point bankrupting the US. But Trump tells you that he is the best for the US economy.
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Strangelove » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:46 pm

5thhorseman wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:19 am
Context, SL, context. In the context of whether the whistleblower's report to the ICIG was valid for starting an impeachment inquiry, yes, I don't care whether Biden was involved or the whistleblower had ulterior motives. It doesn't affect the validity of the report. It's a red herring for people who can't separate the issues.
Can you see how, from my point of view, it's the latest "investigation" into Lord Trump that's the real "red herring".

I mean it's ludicrous, they've got nothing on Trumpy, just like they never had anything on him in years-long the Russian "investigation".

It's all political theater my friend, don't take it seriously...

5thhorseman wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:19 am
But you're saying, with no caveats, without any other context, that I don't care whether Biden, the whistleblower, or the Dems in general (not sure where you got the Dems from, actually) are crooked. That's your straw man there, my friend.
Look at your words above, can you see how someone could take them the way I did?

And I didn't call you a Dem, I said you didn't seem to care about the crimes of some Dems involved in this.

What we have here is... failure to communicate. :)

No strawman here buds...

5thhorseman wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:19 am
The fact is, I do care. If they're crooked, prosectute them as well for whatever crimes they've committed. I'm all for clearing the swamp too, man!
Glad to hear it!

I honestly see The Donald as committed to cleaning the swamp as best he can.

5thhorseman wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:19 am
Now a question for you. You think that Biden instigated the whistleblower report as a desparate attempt to distract from the investigation against him? That must mean you think he is on the brink of getting charged. Is that your prediction?
Well I'm not sure if they'll gather enough evidence for that, but I'm sure they'll easily gather enough to have him drop out of the race.

And I feel the Dems are good with dat dere, I feel they figured out he doesn't have a hope against Trump.

I'd like to say more but I'm in a rush, Turkey Party coming right up! :thumbs:
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Post by Topper » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:57 pm

If the whistleblower hadn't lied on his declaration, would his letter receive the same gravitas?
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Per » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:00 am

Strangelove wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:46 pm
I honestly see The Donald as committed to cleaning the swamp as best he can.
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