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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

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Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:15 pm
Well normally the IC wouldn't determine a 2nd hand complaint to be credible but anyway

... Maguire didn't "refuse to transmit it to Congress", he asked for one more week.
UPDATE, maybe this is why Maguire was confused:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1177 ... 93312.html
Here is something seriously strange. The Disclosure of Urgent Concern Form located earlier today at DNI is only two days old according to its pdf properties.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/27/in ... knowledge/
Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings. This raises questions about the intelligence community’s behavior regarding the August submission of a whistleblower complaint against President Donald Trump. The new complaint document no longer requires potential whistleblowers who wish to have their concerns expedited to Congress to have direct, first-hand knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing that they are reporting.

The brand new version of the whistleblower complaint form, which was not made public until after the transcript of Trump’s July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and the complaint addressed to Congress were made public, eliminates the first-hand knowledge requirement and allows employees to file whistleblower complaints even if they have zero direct knowledge of underlying evidence and only “heard about [wrongdoing] from others.”
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... hers/#more
Breaking – ICIG Whistleblower Form Recently Modified to Permit Complaint “Heard From Others"

Folks, this “Ukraine Whistleblower” event was a pre-planned event. As we begin to understand the general outline of how the Schiff Dossier was assembled, we are now starting to get into the specifics. First discovered by researcher Stephen McIntyre, there is now evidence surfacing showing the ICIG recently created an entirely new ‘whistleblower complaint form’ that specifically allowed for the filing of complaints “heard from others“.
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Well if it’s on the internet it must be true.

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Reefer2 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:15 pm
Well if it’s on the internet it must be true.
Reefer is a fuck wad.

Internet, comments?
Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.

I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.

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Topper wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:37 pm
Reefer2 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:15 pm
Well if it’s on the internet it must be true.
Reefer is a fuck wad.

Internet, comments?
Like all trumpets, resort to name calling.

Go smoke some more Tops, you still have a couple brain cells and since you are not using them you won’t miss them.

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Topper wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:37 pm
Reefer2 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:15 pm
Well if it’s on the internet it must be true.
Reefer is a fuck wad.

Internet, comments?
It's much worse than that.

Reefer is a fuckwad who is oblivious to the fact he's a fuckwad.

Reefer2 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:08 pm
you still have a couple brain cells
OMG so much irony lol... keep sharing your deep insights on American politics there Reefy! :thumbs:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Reefer2 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:08 pm
Like all trumpets, resort to name calling.

Go smoke some more Tops, you still have a couple brain cells and since you are not using them you won’t miss them.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Reefer2 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:41 pm
Trumpets say the funniest things.
Reefer2 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:01 pm
Sure, trumpets are trumpets, never seeing the truth.
Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.

I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.

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Strangelove wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:18 pm
Topper wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:37 pm
Reefer2 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:15 pm
Well if it’s on the internet it must be true.
Reefer is a fuck wad.

Internet, comments?
It's much worse than that.

Reefer is a fuckwad who is oblivious to the fact he's a fuckwad.

Reefer2 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:08 pm
you still have a couple brain cells
OMG so much irony lol... keep sharing your deep insights on American politics there Reefy! :thumbs:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Lol - sure

Thanks you prove my point.

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Topper wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:24 pm
Reefer2 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:08 pm
Like all trumpets, resort to name calling.

Go smoke some more Tops, you still have a couple brain cells and since you are not using them you won’t miss them.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Reefer2 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:41 pm
Trumpets say the funniest things.
Reefer2 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:01 pm
Sure, trumpets are trumpets, never seeing the truth.
So? No you will just wait until old age and they die off? Ok no problem.

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Yawn burp fart.

Same old thing.

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Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.

I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.

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Oh my since Conrad Black thinks he will be elected then everyone can go home and just let Donald do his thing.

Of course some people are easily fooled so who knows what will happen in 2020.

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^ Reefer you silly poser, you add nothing to the conversation, go make a fool of yourself somewhere else.

Or go play in traffic, the grownups are talking...


https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/impeach ... el-beccaro
1. Democrats think Joe Biden is immune. The Democrats are saying that the Trump White House and Department of Justice cannot get information from the Ukraine on Biden because he is running for president and therefore is Trump's rival. By their logic, therefore, Joe Biden is immune from a federal investigation while he runs for office against President Trump. How very convenient and absurd.

2. We now know that contrary to news reports and Democrats talking points, the Trump call transcript does NOT indicate Trump withheld aid in exchange for election help against Biden. There was no quid pro quo. The Democrats sold a false story.

The D.C. Democrats want to impeach Trump for activities that pale in comparison to what people in their party has been doing for years.

3. The Trump call transcript also indicates that the current Ukraine government is more than troubled about the Bidens' actions vis-a-vis the Ukraine and on their own is continuing to investigate that activity. In addition to that, the President of Ukraine continues to say there was no pressure from Trump to do anything related to that investigation.

4. A non-tortured reading of the Trump call transcript indicates that Trump asked for assistance with an ongoing DOJ investigation, which, Andrew McCarthy rightly said, is not a violation of the law. Indeed, there is a treaty between the U.S. and the Ukraine that was signed by President Bill Clinton that is entitled the Treaty with Ukraine on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters. That treaty binds the respective countries to provide "documents, records and other items" to each other upon request.

5. “Ukrainian prosecutors say they have tried to get this information to the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) since the summer of 2018, fearing it might be evidence of possible violations of U.S. ethics laws” related to the Bidens.

In other words, long before Trump made a call, the Ukraine wanted to provide the U.S. information on the Bidens.

6. The Obama administration pressured “Ukraine’s prosecutors to drop an investigation into the Burisma Holdings gas company that employed Hunter Biden and to look for new evidence in a then-dormant criminal case against eventual Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, a GOP lobbyist.”

7. The Obama White House and DNC directly solicited Ukrainian officialsto get involved in the 2016 campaign by asking for dirt on Manafort and by asking Ukrainian President to speak on U.S. soil negatively about Paul Manafort. That is far worse than what the Democrat allege Trump to have done.

8. Hunter Biden, who is generally incompetent and was kicked out of the Navy for drug use, made millions off contemporaneous to trips he made with his father when Biden was VP. The Democrats see no problem with that. Imagine if Donald Trump Jr. did that. Those payments absolutely were made to buy influence in the Obama Administration and are more than likely at the center of the Ukrainian prosecutor, that Joe Biden got fired after saying he would withhold aid, “was making plans to question Hunter Biden about $3 million in fees that Biden and his partner, Archer, collected from Burisma through their American firm.” According to that prosecutor: “The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, a natural gas firm active in Ukraine and Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors.”

9. The so-called whistleblower was fed the information by others and his attorney worked for Hillary and Schumer. Doesn’t that sound non-biased to you?

10. Finally, anyone on TV who jumped to the conclusion that Trump broke the law was trying to make a headline not a reasoned judgment with all the facts.



In short, the D.C. Democrats want to impeach Trump for activities that pale in comparison to what people in their party has been doing for years.

That is par for the course from them these days and a disgrace to the Constitution.
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Strangelove wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:30 pm
Per wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:14 pm
He wasn’t threatening to withhold aid, he was actually withholding aid, that is a fact. Sure, only for a few weeks
And? :drink:

Nothing wrong with that...
Actually, there is.....
The aid had been decided by congress. The president had nothing to do with it. He had no right to block it, nor did he have a legitimate reason to do so.

He did it just for leverage, and that could possibly be a criminal act.
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:14 pm
, but the phone call was made while he was withholding that aid. These are facts that you cannot deny, no matter how you spin it.
And? :drink:

Nothing wrong with that...
Actually, there is....

By withholding the aid, he created leverage, he than asks for a favour.
This makes it very hard for the other person to deny that favour.
This is known as extortion.

This is exactly how the mob makes people dance to their tune, so no surprise.
A man who has made his money in construction and casinos probably must have a lot of experience in that.

Per wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:14 pm
He was quite clear he wanted them to investigate Biden & son.
And? :drink:

Nothing wrong with that...
Actually, there is...

In a real democracy you have strict separation between the branches of government.
For the executive branch to meddle in matters that belong to the judiciary is a strict no-no, and should be so both in the USA and the Ukraine.

Per wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:14 pm
Just like he asked Russia to hack Hillary’s e-mails.
Did you IMAGINE that? :drink:
No, he made that request broadcasted on TV:
”Russia, if you are listening...”

VP Biden is on record bragging about having the prosecutor in that investigation fired, putting the brakes on the investigation.
Mmmmmmm.... you may have misunderstood that piece.

Biden bragged about having the prosecutor fired, but that was after that investigation was finished, and Hunter Biden was cleared, so it had no bearing on the investigation.

But the US government, as well as most other western governments, felt the prosecutor was not doing enough to root out corruption in the Ukraine, which is why they leaned on Poroshenko to have him replace the prosecutor.
So it is kind of the reverse of the spin story Trump and Giuliani are spreading.
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:14 pm
Besides, matters like that should not rest on the president but the FBI, or a special council. To bring it up in a phone call between two heads of states has a somewhat fishy bouqet of collussion.
That's quite the IMAGINATION you have there! :D

As I explained earlier, nothing wrong with the Prez asking a foreign gov to complete their investigation on a crooked US citizen.

It happens all the time ...
Actually, no, it does not.

In a real democracy you have strict separation between the branches of government.
For the executive branch to meddle in matters that belong to the judiciary is a strict no-no, and should be so both in the USA and the Ukraine.

This is why Swedish PM Löfven was shocked when Trump called and asked him to make sure Asap Rocky would be released.
Our constitution makes it quite clear that it would be a crime for the PM to interfer in a criminal investigation and try to influence its outcome.

It’s simply not how it is done in a democracy. But then I guess Trump has no clue to what the constitution is or what it .
Under him the US seems more and more like a banana republic, and sure, in those I guess none of the things listed above would seem out of place.

I’m just used to being able to expect more of that shining beacon on a hill.
Guess it’s lights out now.
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Strangelove wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:50 pm
^ Reefer you silly poser, you add nothing to the conversation, go make a fool of yourself somewhere else.

Or go play in traffic, the grownups are talking...
Doing what you do best, you resort to name calling and other childish behaviour. But then you idolize a child so I guess that’s normal.

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Per wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:22 pm
Strangelove wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:30 pm
Per wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:14 pm
He wasn’t threatening to withhold aid, he was actually withholding aid, that is a fact. Sure, only for a few weeks
And? :drink:

Nothing wrong with that...
Actually, there is.....
The aid had been decided by congress. The president had nothing to do with it. He had no right to block it, nor did he have a legitimate reason to do so.

He did it just for leverage, and that could possibly be a criminal act.
But he didn't withhold the aid for leverage.

Dems said the phone-call transcript would prove the leverage theory.

It didn't.

The Dems were IMAGINING things.

And he absolutely had the right... as Prez... to delay the aid.

Per wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:22 pm
Strangelove wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:30 pm
Per wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:14 pm
, but the phone call was made while he was withholding that aid. These are facts that you cannot deny, no matter how you spin it.
And? :drink:

Nothing wrong with that...
Actually, there is....

By withholding the aid, he created leverage, he than asks for a favour.
This makes it very hard for the other person to deny that favour.
This is known as extortion.
Again, it wasn't done for leverage. :roll:

And as shown above, twas the Ukraine who was pushing for the US to get involved in the investigation (back in July).

Trump was finally responding to that request, and offering to have US lawyers meet up with Ukrainian lawyers.

"Extortion" :lol: :lol: :lol:

Per wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:22 pm

This is exactly how the mob makes people dance to their tune, so no surprise.
A man who has made his money in construction and casinos probably must have a lot of experience in that.
Yes, quite the IMAGINATION indeed! :D

Per wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:22 pm
Strangelove wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:30 pm
Per wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:14 pm
He was quite clear he wanted them to investigate Biden & son.
And? :drink:

Nothing wrong with that...
Actually, there is...

In a real democracy you have strict separation between the branches of government.
For the executive branch to meddle in matters that belong to the judiciary is a strict no-no, and should be so both in the USA and the Ukraine.
Mentioning it in a conversation is not "meddling". :scowl:

Nothing wrong with mentioning that he was not opposed to the Ukraine investigation...

Per wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:22 pm
Strangelove wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:30 pm
Per wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:14 pm
Just like he asked Russia to hack Hillary’s e-mails.
Did you IMAGINE that? :drink:
No, he made that request broadcasted on TV:
”Russia, if you are listening...”
:lol: :lol: :lol:

UMMMMM. It's called humour.

Otherwise, the Dems surely would have begun an impeachment inquiry on dat dere.

Speaking of that, I heard after this one fails they're gonna start an impeachment inquiry on an overdue library book from 1972.

Per wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:22 pm
Strangelove wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:30 pm
VP Biden is on record bragging about having the prosecutor in that investigation fired, putting the brakes on the investigation.
Mmmmmmm.... you may have misunderstood that piece.

Biden bragged about having the prosecutor fired, but that was after that investigation was finished, and Hunter Biden was cleared, so it had no bearing on the investigation.
Wrong. I have posted evidence to the contrary above...

Per wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:22 pm
Strangelove wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:30 pm
Per wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:14 pm
Besides, matters like that should not rest on the president but the FBI, or a special council. To bring it up in a phone call between two heads of states has a somewhat fishy bouqet of collussion.
That's quite the IMAGINATION you have there! :D

As I explained earlier, nothing wrong with the Prez asking a foreign gov to complete their investigation on a crooked US citizen.

It happens all the time ...
Actually, no, it does not.

In a real democracy you have strict separation between the branches of government.
For the executive branch to meddle in matters that belong to the judiciary is a strict no-no, and should be so both in the USA and the Ukraine.

This is why Swedish PM Löfven was shocked when Trump called and asked him to make sure Asap Rocky would be released.
Our constitution makes it quite clear that it would be a crime for the PM to interfer in a criminal investigation and try to influence its outcome.

It’s simply not how it is done in a democracy. But then I guess Trump has no clue to what the constitution is or what it .
Under him the US seems more and more like a banana republic, and sure, in those I guess none of the things listed above would seem out of place.
BLAH BLAH, like I said it wasn't "meddling" and it most certainly wasn't "collussion". :sly:

You're being ridiculous.

Trump Derangement Syndrome.

As if the heads of US and Ukraine can't talk about investigations their countries are cooperating on.

Per wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:22 pm
I’m just used to being able to expect more of that shining beacon on a hill.
Guess it’s lights out now.
That's right, the Dims have been dimming the lights so they can proceed with their dirty deeds in the pale moonlight...
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