2019 NHL ENTRY DRAFT - Vancouver

[Chef Boi RD]

Fair point, but as per usual with Jimbo once he gets a player in mind he pays more than anybody else would regardless of the circumstances. He overpaid for Guddy who was a disaster, he overpaid for Linden Vey who was also terrible, he overpaid for Brandon Sutter who has been below average at best, he threw away a pick for Pedan.

Hi DieHard..

I don't judge transactions against perfection.....sure I'd like to see the team win every deal but that isn't based on reality...

I base the job Bennings done against the other GM's in the leagues track records...

And I look at deals differently based on who had the leverage, the Kesler deal and the Edler signing are examples of transactions Benning made with and without leverage...

As I said in my post, I expect the team to be a lottery team at the next draft but not the draft after that....If Benning is giving Tampa a lottery pick in 2021 then he shouldn't be here...

So they traded a former first rounder who is a very good, young top 6 player for a pick that won't see the NHl for at least 4 years, if he sees it at all....

And you could look at the deal as a 2nd round pick which got elevated to a first round pick because of Millers very favorable contract....

If we are throwing around assumptions to make our arguments, I'm assuming that there were competing offers for Miller and Tampa chose Vancouver because they were the team with the lowest point total making their offer potentially the best...

Take care...

Hi Rikster,

Not really sure what you are referring to re: throwing around assumptions, but I will play along. If we assume there were competing offers that’s fine, but for whatever reason Jimbo likes to overpay in picks in his trades. I don’t think his player for player trades are terrible, it’s his insistence on throwing in picks that gets to me. As you said the Bolts saw a 1st from the Nucks as more valuable than other teams which should mean Jimbo can get more back as well. He doesn’t seem to see it that way - if TBay had added a 2nd in return I would be fine with it but Jimbo just doesn’t seem to be able to push other GMs.

If we assume the Nucks are a lottery team this year then it looks better - I just hate cheering for the team to not make the playoffs. We’ve had enough of that as a fan base. I guess you could say it’s a win win for Canuck fans (playoffs or lottery) but I prefer to look at team building as a long term exercise.

I like the player and think he fits well with the team, just wish it wasn't making the deal so we wouldn’t always have to worry about giving up too much.

I’m willing to give Jimbo the rest of the summer to fix the mess he has created - at least two or three of Sutter, Spooner, Schaller, Loui, Goldy, Granlund should be gone - but he’s already given up his most valuable trade chip when it’s hard to see why it was necessary.

How are you supposed to get J.T. Millers without giving up something of value? I don’t know about you but I’m tired of losing. Yes sure keep Draft picks and go on a slow and tedious decade long rebuild. We just drafted a great prospect in Podkozlin but like all prospects they ain’t making an impact in the NHL 2-3 years from now and that will be the same with the 2020 first and the 2021 first, whichever one will be Tampa’s and not only that, those firsts area not guaranteed good NHL level players. J.T. Miller is a “player” and is “worth” a first, he’s guaranteed. He’s young, signed on a good contract with term. The team in the short term needed help in the top 6 forward group big time. Podkozlin or any 2019 forward would not be helping us in that department in the short term. We have a great young core and when you include your Podkozlins the future looks brilliant. It’s time to start winning, done with losing. Great trade for Vancouver.

[rikster]

Would you have been happy with Miller for 2x2nds?

As others have pointed out, with the crazy contracts being given out around the league in advance of UFA, there is real value in having a "value" contract like the one Miller has....

If he had say the Hayes contract, would anyone expect the price to include a first round pick?

I said earlier that I view the deal as a second and a third round pick plus a contract dump for Miller which got elevated to a 1st and a 3rd because of the contracts value, after July 1st I may adjust that to 2 X 3rd round picks with one of the 3rds being elevated to a 1st because of the value of the contract depending on how crazy the GM's get overspending...

I also understand that the player Tampa wanted to unload was Kilorn who is older and has a similar contract and who has never reached 50 points, but the Canucks wanted Miller....

As for July 1st, I really, really hope Benning sits it out and doesn't get involved in the madness.

Take care....

[Chef Boi RD]

I hope Benning doesn’t sit out July 1st. I hope he lands a big fish or someone who fills a current need.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Stupid trade. Trying to short circuit a rebuild doesn’t work.

Silver lining is this will get Elmer the boot at the end of the year unless they miraculously make the playoffs.

[Cousin Strawberry]

I read TB played Miller on the 4th line in the playoffs this year. Sure as fuck hope Benning knows what hes doing

[Chef Boi RD]

BTW love the two gritty tank yet skilled wingers we drafted

Podkozlin - 6’-1” 200 lbs

Hoglander - 5’-9” 190 lbs

[ESQ]

How are you supposed to get J.T. Millers without giving up something of value?

It would have been great to move out a roster player for Miller...but none of our roster players that are considered moveable have that much value.

And without trade protection, he could likely return a1st rounder in a year or two or three.

Having slept on it, my only criticism is I wish we'd snagged Toronto's 1st and traded that for Miller. At this stage, buying out Marleau is probably the only way for Jim to recoup a 1st, and he must have something up his sleeve (retirement) for Loui.

[Chef Boi RD]

I guess we could just go on losing like your Buffalos and Edmonton’s and Arizona’s for decades in the name of draft picks that are not guaranteed.

[Madcombinepilot]

How are you supposed to get J.T. Millers without giving up something of value?

It would have been great to move out a roster player for Miller...but none of our roster players that are considered moveable have that much value.

And without trade protection, he could likely return a1st rounder in a year or two or three.

Having slept on it, my only criticism is I wish we'd snagged Toronto's 1st and traded that for Miller. At this stage, buying out Marleau is probably the only way for Jim to recoup a 1st, and he must have something up his sleeve (retirement) for Loui.

Benning was asked in a media scrum if he was in on the Marleau trade. He said 'no'.

I wish we could have gotten a 1st for cash as well, but I don't think it wasn't offered to us.

[Cousin Strawberry]

I guess we could just go on losing like your Buffalos and Edmonton’s and Arizona’s for decades in the name of draft picks that are not guaranteed.

And yet youll endlessly flog the dead horse of gillis selling picks off for help when they were an actual contender...

[Blob Mckenzie]

I guess we could just go on losing like your Buffalos and Edmonton’s and Arizona’s for decades in the name of draft picks that are not guaranteed.

And yet youll endlessly flog the dead horse of gillis selling picks off for help when they were an actual contender...

Yeah he talks out of both sides of his mouth. Benning could have traded Bo Horvat and the first round pick for JT Miller and he would defend it.

[Chef Boi RD]

How are you supposed to get J.T. Millers without giving up something of value?

It would have been great to move out a roster player for Miller...but none of our roster players that are considered moveable have that much value.

And without trade protection, he could likely return a1st rounder in a year or two or three.

Having slept on it, my only criticism is I wish we'd snagged Toronto's 1st and traded that for Miller. At this stage, buying out Marleau is probably the only way for Jim to recoup a 1st, and he must have something up his sleeve (retirement) for Loui.

I don’t think Jimbro is done trading or signing UFA’s and getting rid of dead weight

IMO, you stick your Gaudettes in Utica and give the 3C to Sutter unless Gaudette is a standout at camp. Need to stop shoe horning uncooked prospects in the lineup. Juolevi has just started skating, he needs to get some hours in, leave him in Utica and keep Hutton. We need to get the farm healthy again. Sutter has a modified contract now, he’s still young and can be moved for a good asset, I see the same with Tanev and Hutton when Woo, Juolevi and Tryamkin are knocking at the door in that they can be moved for good assets with good seasons behind them on a good team. One of Markstrom or Demko will have to be moved and for a good asset when the Seattle Expansion draft comes around. The Canucks will soon be in a position of strength to recoup picks just like what Tampa was with Miller. Its cyclical

[Blob Mckenzie]

This is where an experienced President of Hockey Operations would come in handy. Elmer needs a boss to hold his hand and to talk him out of these dumb moves.

[Chef Boi RD]

I guess we could just go on losing like your Buffalos and Edmonton’s and Arizona’s for decades in the name of draft picks that are not guaranteed.

And yet youll endlessly flog the dead horse of gillis selling picks off for help when they were an actual contender...

Gillis was a terrible GM. Benning isn’t. Big difference

[Chef Boi RD]

This is where an experienced President of Hockey Operations would come in handy. Elmer needs a boss to hold his hand and to talk him out of these dumb moves.

Blob loved the trade Calgary made for Hamonic