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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Strangelove » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:38 pm

ukcanuck wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:46 pm
However, to suggest that the democrats today have some dirty little secret is ridiculous and are the same party with some connection to lynchings in past is as ludicrous as saying Trump is a kind old geezer.

And you can flood these pages in Per- uvian fashion...
But I don't want to flood these pages in Per-uvian fashion. :?

Especially when you're the only one who seems to be in the dark on these well-known facts.

First google result:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/196 ... ng_on_Race

Why don't you start there and get back to us in twenty years...

ukcanuck wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:46 pm
The point is extremism is extremism but there are far more acts of violence from the right than there are from the left.
Wrong... again... we've been through this before, violent nut-jobs on both sides.

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Meds » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:20 pm

ukcanuck wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:25 pm
Meds wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:15 pm
I have always found it to be no small irony that when the leftists lose they go out of their way to smear the winner, and get downright dirty about it.

The rights just take it on the chin and regroup with a "We'll get them next time" (which they often do), and point to facts.
Nope meds the left just points to the smear that is the dirty right is all.
You just stay over there wherever you are with your head in the sand bud.

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Per » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:23 pm

Meds wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:15 pm
I have always found it to be no small irony that when the leftists lose they go out of their way to smear the winner, and get downright dirty about it.

The rights just take it on the chin and regroup with a "We'll get them next time" (which they often do), and point to facts.
Yeah, right, in an ”Obama was born in Kenya and is a Muslim” or ”Bill cheated on his wife so let’s impeach him” fashion, amirite? :wink:

Even more hilarious now that we know that Gingrich was actually cheating on his own wife while leading the pitchfork crowd in the onslaught against Bubba. Guess hypocracy has always been an area where they excel.... :lol:
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Topper » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:58 pm

Per wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:23 pm
Even more hilarious now that we know that Gingrich was actually cheating on his own wife while leading the pitchfork crowd in the onslaught against Bubba. Guess hypocracy has always been an area where they excel.... :lol:
but she turned him into a newt

Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.

I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by ukcanuck » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:36 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:38 pm
ukcanuck wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:46 pm
However, to suggest that the democrats today have some dirty little secret is ridiculous and are the same party with some connection to lynchings in past is as ludicrous as saying Trump is a kind old geezer.

And you can flood these pages in Per- uvian fashion...
But I don't want to flood these pages in Per-uvian fashion. :?

Especially when you're the only one who seems to be in the dark on these well-known facts.

First google result:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/196 ... ng_on_Race

Why don't you start there and get back to us in twenty years...

ukcanuck wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:46 pm
The point is extremism is extremism but there are far more acts of violence from the right than there are from the left.
Wrong... again... we've been through this before, violent nut-jobs on both sides.

And yup, your precious Antifa may yet be classified a terrorist organization in America...
Fair enough I will investigate further starting with your link. And I’ll get back to you when I can.

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Per » Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:27 am

Strangelove wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:05 pm
Per wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:31 am
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That's what you said about the Russian collusion "investigation"! :lol:
Well.... They did conclude that there was Russian interference in the election that benefitted Trump and that there was intense contact between the Russians and several members of the Trump campaign. They couldn't find the smoking gun to tie the criminal actions to Trump personally though.
The investigation "identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump campaign", and determined that the Trump campaign "expected it would benefit electorally" from Russian hacking efforts. However, ultimately "the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities". The evidence was not necessarily complete due to encrypted, deleted, or unsaved communications as well as false, incomplete, or declined testimony. Mueller later said that the investigation's conclusion on Russian interference "deserves the attention of every American".
Mueller also refrained from bringing charges against Trump for obstruction of justice, abiding by a DOJ Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) opinion that a sitting president cannot stand trial. He did however account for ten infractions that could be considered obstruction, but left it to congress to decide if these were to be considered offences. Pelosi obviously felt that these infractions were not blatant enough to result in a successful impeachment, and abstained from pursuing it.

That doesn't mean there was no wrongdoing. Members of Trump's campaign staff did collude with the Russians and Trump himself did obstruct justice. Just as Bill Clinton did have sex with Monica Lewinsky. Those things happened. The question though is whether congress feels this is sufficient reason to remove the president from office.

Yet even though Trump was not brought down by the investigation several of his minions and henchmen got caught:

¤ Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, who had been appointed as National Security Advisor by the incoming Trump administration, was convicted of making false statements to FBI investigators about his conversations with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak during the presidential transition, and he was dismissed from his position.

¤ Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was found guilty on eight felony counts of tax evasion and bank fraud, pursuant to his earlier lobbying activities for the Party of Regions of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich. He later pled guilty to conspiracy to defraud and obstruction of justice; in total, he was sentenced to over seven years in jail.

¤ In February 2018, Mueller's team indicted thirteen Russian citizens and three Russian entities, including the Internet Research Agency (IRA), for conducting social media campaigns about the U.S. elections, and twelve members of the Russian GRU cyber espionage group known as Fancy Bear, for hacking and leaking DNC emails.

¤ In June 2018 Konstantin Kilimnik, Manafort's business partner in Ukraine, was indicted for witness tampering at the behest of Manafort; Kilimnik is suspected of working for Russian intelligence.

¤ Trump's personal lawyer Michael Cohen pled guilty to making hush payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal in violation of campaign finance laws, and was convicted for several unrelated counts of bank and tax fraud.

¤ Campaign adviser George Papadopoulos was convicted for making false statements to the FBI.

¤ Russian gun activist Maria Butina was interviewed by Special Counsel investigators, then prosecuted by the National Security Law Unit and imprisoned for spying.

¤ Longtime Trump advisor Roger Stone, who had met with a Russian person offering to sell derogatory financial information about Hillary Clinton, was indicted on seven charges and has pled not guilty.

In all, the investigation garnered 199 criminal charges, 37 indictments or guilty pleas, and 5 prison sentences.

As the investigation was brought to an end, they also handed over evidence of dozens of other cases of wrongdoing uncovered in the process to several district and state prosecutors that may result in further convictions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_C ... 80%932019)

So if this was a witch hunt, it must be considered a uniquely successful one in that it actually found solid evidence leading to the arrest and conviction of several of the witches! :look:
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Strangelove » Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:17 am

Per wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:27 am
Strangelove wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:05 pm
Per wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:31 am
... and the walls are closing in ....


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That's what you said about the Russian collusion "investigation"! :lol:
Well.... They did conclude that there was Russian interference in the election that benefitted Trump and that there was intense contact between the Russians and several members of the Trump campaign... criminal actions...
Yes, "contact between the Russians and several members of the Trump campaign"... but no "collusion". :sly:

Those "criminal actions by members of the Trump campaign"... had nothing whatsoever to do with "collusion".

The "contact" in and of itself was not part of those "criminal actions". (though your post makes it seem otherwise)

BTW there was also contact between the Russians and members of the Hillary campaign.

(and no doubt a $25M investigation would have uncovered criminal actions by some of them)

(cuz swamps be's swampy y'all)

But yeah, there ain't nothing wrong with that "contact" part of it...

Per wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:27 am
http://next.owlapps.net/owlapps_apps/ar ... 73&lang=en

The investigation "identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump campaign", and determined that the Trump campaign "expected it would benefit electorally" from Russian hacking efforts. However, ultimately "the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities". The evidence was not necessarily complete due to encrypted, deleted, or unsaved communications as well as false, incomplete, or declined testimony. Mueller later said that the investigation's conclusion on Russian interference "deserves the attention of every American".
That doesn't mean there was no wrongdoing. Members of Trump's campaign staff did collude with the Russians and Trump himself did obstruct justice. Just as Bill Clinton did have sex with Monica Lewinsky. Those things happened. The question though is whether congress feels this is sufficient reason to remove the president from office.
:wow:

UMMMMMMM. Those things absolutely did not happen!!

(other than Billy 'I Did Not Have Sexual Relations With That Woman' Clinton fucking Monica of course) :wink:

Ultimately "the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities".

(from YOUR article)

WOW is this Opposite Day in Sweden Per? :evil: :twisted: :evil:

"The question is whether congress feels this is sufficient reason to remove the president from office" :scowl:

To be clear, you're talking about "removing the president from office" for obstruction here

Yet the investigation did not establish any obstruction whatsoever!

White man speak with forked tongue. :evil:

Per wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:27 am
So if this was a witch hunt, it must be considered a uniquely successful one in that it actually found solid evidence leading to the arrest and conviction of several of the witches! :look:
It is referred to as a "witch hunt" because it was designed to "investigate collusion" unjustly (Trumped-up charges).

It is also referred to as a "smear campaign", one YOU are embarrassingly trying to perpetuate...
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Per » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:07 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:17 am

Per wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:27 am
http://next.owlapps.net/owlapps_apps/ar ... 73&lang=en

The investigation "identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump campaign", and determined that the Trump campaign "expected it would benefit electorally" from Russian hacking efforts. However, ultimately "the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities". The evidence was not necessarily complete due to encrypted, deleted, or unsaved communications as well as false, incomplete, or declined testimony. Mueller later said that the investigation's conclusion on Russian interference "deserves the attention of every American".
That doesn't mean there was no wrongdoing. Members of Trump's campaign staff did collude with the Russians and Trump himself did obstruct justice. Just as Bill Clinton did have sex with Monica Lewinsky. Those things happened. The question though is whether congress feels this is sufficient reason to remove the president from office.
:wow:

UMMMMMMM. Those things absolutely did not happen!!

(other than Billy 'I Did Not Have Sexual Relations With That Woman' Clinton fucking Monica of course) :wink:

Ultimately "the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities".

(from YOUR article)

WOW is this Opposite Day in Sweden Per? :evil: :twisted: :evil:

"The question is whether congress feels this is sufficient reason to remove the president from office" :scowl:

To be clear, you're talking about "removing the president from office" for obstruction here

Yet the investigation did not establish any obstruction whatsoever!
Uhm... Bill did not fuck Monica. That’s why he did that whole ”define” thing, which went roughly like this:

”Mr President, did you have sex with Miss Lewinsky?”
”Uhm... define sex.”
”Well, you know, intercourse...”
”No, I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.”

See, Bubba is a lawyer. He thought he was clever here. He made the other guy define sex as intercourse, and then he said no, because they never had intercourse. Just oral and stuff. But hey, they did have sex. They just never fucked. :wink:

Same thing with Donny and the Kremlin. They did have sex. They just never fucked.

Of course there was collussion. You know it as well as I do. There were repeated contacts between key players in Donald’s campaign and people working for the Kremlin. The Russians hacked Hillary’s e-mails, then released little by little in a manner intended to cause as much damage as possible to her campaign. The Russians helped Donald win. The investigation just did not manage to find the smoking gun.

They proved there was contact, that the Trump campaign first denied, and they proved the Russians interfered in the election, which Donald still refuses to acknowledge. They just couldn’t prove the actual conspiracy. But there is enough smoke to block out the sun, so there must be fire.
During a July 16, 2018, press conference at the 2018 Russia–United States summit in Helsinki, Finland, President Putin was asked, "did you want President Trump to win the election and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that?" Putin replied, "Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Because he talked about bringing the US-Russia relationship back to normal."
(same link as before)

And the investigation accounts for ten instances that could be considered obstruction. The only reason Mueller didn’t indict Donald for those is because he respected the DoJ stated opinion that a sitting president could not be put on trial. Thus he deferred to congress that they must decide whether to act on these ten cases of obstruction. He made it very clear that the president was not exonerated.

And, yeah, they could impeach for obstruction of justice. Isn’t that what brought Nixon down? :eh:
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Strangelove » Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:06 pm

Fuck sakes Per, did you even read my post? :roll:

Contact per se is allowed and, in fact, normal.

And the investigation failed to establish any collusion whatsoever by anyone in the Trump campaign.

Of course Putin hates Hillary, wtf dude... everybody hates Hillary! :lol:

But that has ZERO to do with collusion.

Also, if the investigation had found evidence of obstruction the Dems would have played their impeachment games.

Evidence from such a massive investigation would give them a much stronger case than 2nd-hand whistleblower crapola.

Admit it, you and yours have been grasping at straws since Inauguration Day cuz Trump Derangement Syndrome. :mex:

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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by The Brown Wizard » Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:59 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:06 pm
Fuck sakes Per, did you even read my post? :roll:

Contact per se is allowed and, in fact, normal.
Se it Per! SE IT!
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by SKYO » Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:03 pm

Impeachment is consuming the political oxygen in Washington, and GOP leaders are concerned that the White House doesn’t know how to manage it, according to several high-level Republican aides.

President Donald Trump is supposed to be the man who could shoot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue without losing any political support. But the threat of impeachment is constraining the President’s power in surprising ways. As defiant witnesses provide damning testimony in the House inquiry, Republicans are increasingly seeking shelter from unrelated scandals.

https://time.com/5709366/impeachment-in ... r-ukraine/
Republicans preparing themselves in case of impeachment - transitional plan in effect.
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Strangelove » Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:24 pm

SKYO wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:03 pm
Republicans preparing themselves in case of impeachment - transitional plan in effect.
Ummm, that's not what the article says but... okay. :D
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by SKYO » Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:35 pm

mah propaganda to twist words. mwaahaha
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by Per » Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:06 pm

Donald Trump is planning to build a border wall in Colorado. :o

https://time.com/5709047/trump-colorado-border-wall/

Does this mean he plans to cede New Mexico to Mexico? :|

I mean, his foreign policy is very erratic and unpredictable, and often goes against traditional US policy, so why not?
Who really considers those New Mexicans real Americans anyway, eh? :eh:
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16

Post by rats19 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:58 am

Now a criminal investigation...

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