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[Strangelove]

But who has the time or patience on a mobile phone to argue.

Reef would thank you for providing his excuse to dodge Ratski's post

... but he's "guzzling" something else right now.

[ukcanuck]

Jesus Rats your just guzzling the koolaid !

Yeah I’ll agree that under trump the rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer and the world has become a more dangerous place.

But the those aren’t necessarily good things.

Your list is unfair because each point could be dissected and be show to have not much to do with the fat slug.

But who has the time or patience on a mobile phone to argue.

Strawberry cuz it’s good

I’m a grape fan myself

[ukcanuck]

But who has the time or patience on a mobile phone to argue.

Reef would thank you for providing his excuse to dodge Ratski's post

... but he's "guzzling" something else right now.

Lol what’s that expression? when good men do nothing

[2Fingers]

But who has the time or patience on a mobile phone to argue.

Reef would thank you for providing his excuse to dodge Ratski's post

... but he's "guzzling" something else right now.

Sure

[5thhorseman]

But who has the time or patience on a mobile phone to argue.

For sure, so let's look at just one of these:

President Trump decreased the US Debt in his first 100 days by $100 Billion. (President Obama increased the US debt in his first 100 days by more than $560 Billion.)

Since the federal budget runs from October 1 through September 30, a president inherits his predecessor's budget and does not have any control of the first year’s deficit, unless he can get a spending bill approved by Congress. Did Trump do this?

Otherwise, it's more reasonable to say that the $100 billion reduction during Trump's first 100 days is Obama's legacy, and the $560 Billion increase during Obama's first 100 days is due to Bush!

[ukcanuck]

But who has the time or patience on a mobile phone to argue.

For sure, so let's look at just one of these:

President Trump decreased the US Debt in his first 100 days by $100 Billion. (President Obama increased the US debt in his first 100 days by more than $560 Billion.)

Since the federal budget runs from October 1 through September 30, a president inherits his predecessor's budget and does not have any control of the first year’s deficit, unless he can get a spending bill approved by Congress. Did Trump do this?

Otherwise, it's more reasonable to say that the $100 billion reduction during Trump's first 100 days is Obama's legacy, and the $560 Billion increase during Obama's first 100 days is due to Bush!

It seems typical, and not just for Trump, to claim responsibility for any positive and lay blame on the last guy for any negative.

[Cornuck]

President Trump started off as aggressive as any President ever in working for the American people as he promised. Now as President Trump’s first 100 days in office come to an end, here is a complete list of his accomplishments and his resulting impact on the economy and world affairs in this very short period of time:

The US Stock Markets are at record highs and millions of Americans are benefitting in their retirement savings accounts.
**Stock market stats - yes, it went up **

As for the stock market, yes it's gone up. How does that help the average American? Well, 50% of the population has Zero invested in the stock market. 9% of the Market's value is pension plans. 10% of the population owns 84% of the stocks. So a rising stock market is not the same thing as a great economy for the majority of workers.

President Trump decreased the US Debt in his first 100 days by $100 Billion. (President Obama increased the US debt in his first 100 days by more than $560 Billion.)

Debt is still going up - and likely going higher with the new tax cuts. The new tax cuts are not helping the average American in the long term as corporations use most of the money to buy back stock and increase share value (see above).

The US Manufacturing Index soared to a 33 year high in this period which were the best numbers since 1983 under President Reagan.

Not sure which index they're referring to, but this one shows growth, but not the "best numbers since 1983" - the number haven't topped the 2014 index even. https://www.investing.com/economic-cale ... ng-pmi-829

President Trump added 298,000 jobs in his first month alone (after President Obama said jobs were not coming back!).

Job rates remain steady from before trump was elected - but of course he'll claim credit.
https://www.bloomberg.com/quicktake/mon ... obs-report


Housing sales are red-hot. In 2011, houses for sale were on the market an average 84 days. This year, it’s just 45 days.

Home sales are dropping - https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MSPNHSUS

Illegal immigration is down 67% since President Trump’s Inauguration.

It's been dropping for several years, but I'm sure trump's hatred towards immigrants (unless they're working at mar-a-lago) has made some people change their mind - https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illeg ... tatistics/

NATO announced Allied spending is up $10 Billion because of President Trump.

NATO spending has increased for the past 3 years, but trump will take credit for that as well: https://www.factcheck.org/2018/07/trump ... -spending/

After being nominated by President Trump, Constitutionalist Judge Neil Gorsuch was confirmed and sworn in as Supreme Court Justice in early April.

Wow - what a fuckin' acheivement THIS was! repubs held off the vote and should have nominated an Obama pick - completely shameless.

The President has signed 66 executive orders, memoranda and proclamations as of April 19th, including:

* Notifying Congress of a strike on Syria after it was reported that the country used gas on its citizens.

Yes, that did a lot of good.

* Dismantling Obama’s climate change initiatives.

Because dismantling Obama's work is all trump is really concerned with. It's better to burn more fossil fuels and pollute the world - YAY
* Travel bans for individuals from a select number of countries embroiled in terrorist autrocities.

How many tries did it take until they found a way to make this happen? Another crowning acheivement

* Enforcing regulatory reform.

I'm guessing this means gutting regulations and letting companies put more shit in the air and water.

* Protecting Law enforcement.

Haven't noticed any real results from this - more just a feel good thing than anything else.

* Mandating for every new regulation to eliminate two.

Yeah - ok....

* Defeating ISIS.

They were on the way down and out - but trump continued Obama's policies for the most part.

* Rebuilding the military.

More investment in the world's largest military? Why?

* Building a border wall.

Waste of money - and an environmental disaster.

* Cutting funding for sanctuary cities.

Appealing to his base - and punishing cities who realize immigrants contribute to the community.

* Approving pipelines.

Because we need more pipelines!

* Reducing regulations on manufacturers.

Maybe we can have a Bhopal right here at home!

* Placing a hiring freeze on federal employees.

Sure - why not... But then he still isn't filling positions that need to be filled.

* Exiting the US from the TPP.

I guess we'll find out how this one plays out. Looks like China is picking up the slack and working closer with trading partners, while trump alienates all of his.

Of course, there are two sides to every story, but I think if you look at all of these "accomplishments" and balance it out with other things like:

Lying constantly - if this person is so awesome, why does he lie every single day?

Not making up his mind on DACA, and instead floundering around and having no policy, while real lives hang in the balance.

Pulling out the Paris Agreement and the Iran Treaty - making it look like American can't keep its word, while offering nothing to replace these deals.

Constant attacks on the press.

Puerto Rico - nice job throwing out the paper towels.

Insulting traditional allies at every chance he gets.

This list goes on.... but to me the big picture is that he is doing everything he can for the corporations, and nothing for the average American who is losing income each year, while working more. He is doing his best to destablize democracies in the west, while promoting dictatorships. Why is this ? It's easy to say "Russia should be our friend" - but why insult every leader of the western democracies? Why support the far right groups? Why support Brexit? This is Russia's dream come true - de-stabilize the west, as Russia can't get any stronger.

Of course there are other things like "Fine people on both sides" when referring to nazis. Pardoning the guys that took over the Oregon Wildlife Refuge. Retweeting far right anti islamic tweets...

There's the revolving door of corrupt, unqualified people going in and out of his cabinet and inner circle. "Only the best people"

100 ways he's hurt the average Joe:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues ... americans/

Anyways, I know I can't change anyone's mind, but hopefully I can dilute the kool-aid a little.

But I will leave you with:

“I have broken more Elton John records. He seems to have a lot of records. And I, by the way, I don’t have a musical instrument. I don’t have a guitar or an organ. No organ. Elton has an organ. And lots of other people helping. No, we’ve broken a lot of records. We’ve broken virtually every record. Because you know, look, I only need this space. They need much more room. For basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We don’t need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these records. Really, we do it without, like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical – the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth, right? The brain. More important than the mouth is the brain. The brain is much more important.”

[Topper]

Commie corn lost me when he attempted to explain a higher share price is only good if you own stock, otherwise it is bad. LOL

[2Fingers]

Commie corn lost me when he attempted to explain a higher share price is only good if you own stock, otherwise it is bad. LOL

Fake news, deflect, fake news, deflect.

Hit with truth so instead of a rebuttal, Trump would scream fake news or deflect.

Must be Hilary’s fault.

[Topper]

Please Reef,try to comprehend.

It was one sentence.

Do failing companies have increasing share values?

If the majority of companies making up an exchange index are failing, is that index rising?

If a company is failing can it afford to expand, modernize, or hire additional staff?

[ukcanuck]

Please Reef,try to comprehend.

It was one sentence.

Do failing companies have increasing share values?

If the majority of companies making up an exchange index are failing, is that index rising?

If a company is failing can it afford to expand, modernize, or hire additional staff?

Holy shit that might be first time I’ve actually read you bothering to explain something !

But isn’t the point corn is trying to make is that yeah great but what about the remaining 90 % of the country. Unless you’re going to argue that Reagan’s trickle down economics works. So far trump’s accomplishments only help club members

[2Fingers]

Please Reef,try to comprehend.

It was one sentence.

Do failing companies have increasing share values?

If the majority of companies making up an exchange index are failing, is that index rising?

If a company is failing can it afford to expand, modernize, or hire additional staff?

I just said that Trump never answer a question, he reflects or crys fake news. Last week he said he was mis said something or misunderstood or what ever his excuse was.

[Cornuck]

Commie corn lost me when he attempted to explain a higher share price is only good if you own stock, otherwise it is bad. LOL

Rats cut and paste started off with "President Trump started off as aggressive as any President ever in working for the American people as he promised." - to me that means the average American. So while corporate profits in general show a healthy economy vs a tanking market like we saw under Bush II, the market we're currently seeing isn't really affecting the average joe. Otherwise, their wages would be going up in sync and not stagnating or dropping with inflation.

So we have a great tax relief for the corporations, and according to Topper, this is awesome because most of that money will go to "expand, modernize, or hire additional staff". In a perfect world, it would. But greed is good, right?

LINK
"There is still a lot of thinking on the right that if big corporations are happy, they're going to take the money they're saving and reinvest it in American workers," the Florida Republican (Rubio) told the Economist last week. "In fact they bought back shares, a few gave out bonuses; there's no evidence whatsoever that they money's been massively poured back into the American worker."

During the last five years, companies committed $4.9 trillion to mergers and share repurchases, or more than double the $2.3 trillion devoted to pre-tax wage growth, Trim Tabs found.

LINK
Only 13% of companies' tax cut savings will go to pay raises, bonuses and employee benefits, according to a survey of Morgan Stanley analysts released Thursday. 43% will go to investors in the form of stock buybacks and dividends, the analysts predict.

LINK



So in the meantime, we have the average American family still struggling, while CEO pay and stock profits continue to rise.



Meanwhile, about 1/2 of all American families would not be able to come up with $500 in an emergency. LINK

So while it's good to have companies making money, it's what they do with that money that ultimately either helps or hurts the overall economy. And now that taxes are lower, that means there's less money to help the people on the bottom rungs of the ladder - but I guess to consider their plight would make me a communist.

[5thhorseman]

I just said that Trump never answer a question, he reflects or crys fake news. Last week he said he was mis said something or misunderstood or what ever his excuse was.

Bit early in the day to be drinking, no?

[5thhorseman]

Please Reef,try to comprehend.

It was one sentence.

Do failing companies have increasing share values?

If the majority of companies making up an exchange index are failing, is that index rising?

If a company is failing can it afford to expand, modernize, or hire additional staff?

On the other hand, companies with increasing share prices do not necessarily have more cash on hand to to spend on their business or staff. Increasing share prices have more to do with market psychology.

The whole idea of using a stock index to measure presidential performance is a bit ridiculous in my opinion. It's a broad indicator influenced by too many other factors. Markets go up regardless of who the president is.

Better to evaluate Trump on his personal actions and decisions.