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Re: CC Random thread

Post by Per » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:54 am

The Brown Wizard wrote:
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Except, as I said, this time there actually is something to see here, but why get your news from the Alt Right, when it's on the front page of real newspapers?

Then again, I guess you just enjoy posting that gif, right? :lol:
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Re: CC Random thread

Post by micky107 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:03 am

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No need to quote right wing extremists (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Peter_Sweden), this is actually what is at the centre of public debate right now. Criminal gangs, fighting turf wars and extracting revenge from eachother have escalated the violence to a crazy level. In all fairness, very few innocent bystanders have been injured so far, but when you start blowing up the house of the person you’re after, instead of just getting the one guy, it’s bound to happen.
But quoting left wing extremism is ? .......................Often?
OK..
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Post by Per » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:40 am

The Swedish parliament in fact held a vote of no confidence against the secretary of justice, for not having been able to handle the increase in gang violence. It failed, but none the less, it goes to show that this is not something that is being hidden. It is at the centre of public debate.

If people say it is not being addressed, they must be blind and deaf.

Still, we need to keep things in their proper perspective.....

If you look at the really big picture, the problems in Sweden are barely visible. Violent crime is fairly unusual compared to most other countries, and has not changed musch over time:

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Yet if you zoom in a bit, you may start to detect something. While violent crime is slightly lower than in the 1990's, it has risen in recent years, and we're not following the downward trend in Westwrn Europe at large:

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Perhaps even clearer if you compare with the other nordic countries:
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So, basically, even though it is still true to maintain that deadly violence in Sweden is at a lower level than in 1990, you could also say that for the first time in the postwar era, the homicide rate in Sweden is higher than in its neighbouring countries.

It's 50% lower today than it was in the other nordic countries in 1986, but it is higher than their present homicide rate. While violent crime has nearly been halved elsewhere in Scandinavia over the past thirty years, it has not gone down as much here.

And then you can also present graphs that look as striking as this (People killed by handguns in Sweden):
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It's a 462% increase over twelve years... :shock:

... but at the end of the day, 45 people were killed by handguns in Sweden in 2018 and 14,623 in the USA.

In all fairness, there are nearly 330 million people in the USA and only 10 in Sweden, so to make numbers comparable we need to divide the US number by 33. That makes it 443. Still slightly more than 45.

This is not denying that we have serious problems, at least when compared to the other Nordic countries or Western Europe, but it is kind of odd to see the Harmageddon-like descriptions presented by US and Russian media, when you consider that homicide and gun homicide rates in those countries are exponentially higher.

The uptick in gun related deaths, as well as in grenade use and explosions in general, is virtually completely connected to turf wars between drug gangs in Stockholm, Malmö and Gothenburg though, even if the odd incident has happened elsewhere, but then often in relation to people from one of those three cities. As one police officer in Malmö said on TV when asked if people should be concerned: "Every one shot so far had a criminal record. If you don't, you can probably sleep well at night."

Yet as these gangs increasingly start blowing up cars, clubs, stores and even homes, the risk for innocents getting hurt is increasing.
And the two women - one of them a young MD - that have been gunned down as a result of having criminal boyfriends, has really shocked people.

Everyone agrees that the problem needs to be addressed, and the political parties are competing at how many policemen you can throw at the problem.
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Re: CC Random thread

Post by micky107 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:47 am

Excellent post. Very informative. Turf wars, IMO, are nearly impossible to eliminate altogether. They are designed to put on a display.
Curtailing the displays with harsher sentencing to those apprehended in the act is really, all that can be done without extreme "on the scene"
measures by police enforcement.
Difficult to grasp the validity of graphs comparing the US to Sweden on a simple numbers basis as that fails to bring geography and demographics
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Post by Per » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:06 am

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Excellent post. Very informative. Turf wars, IMO, are nearly impossible to eliminate altogether. They are designed to put on a display.
Curtailing the displays with harsher sentencing to those apprehended in the act is really, all that can be done without extreme "on the scene"
measures by police enforcement.
Difficult to grasp the validity of graphs comparing the US to Sweden on a simple numbers basis as that fails to bring geography and demographics
to bare.
Most of the shootings etc in Gothenburg all relate to a group of young men from an area called Biskopsgården. Originally they were one big criminal gang, but then while one of them was incarcerated, another guy hooked up with his girlfriend....

Both these two guys have since been shot, but the original gang has been split into two, one from the north of the hood, one from the south, that both see the other group as fair game to kill. It's a viscious circle of revenge, combined with turf war.

The past two years shootings have gone down in Gothenburg though, probably in part because its ebbing out naturally, partly because in this particular case the police know pretty well who are involved. Instead it is escalating out of control in Malmö.
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Re: CC Random thread

Post by The Brown Wizard » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:09 am

Per wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:54 am
The Brown Wizard wrote:
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Except, as I said, this time there actually is something to see here, but why get your news from the Alt Right, when it's on the front page of real newspapers?

Then again, I guess you just enjoy posting that gif, right? :lol:
Absolutely i do! Mostly because its so accurate!
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Post by 5thhorseman » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:01 am

micky107 wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:47 am
Difficult to grasp the validity of graphs comparing the US to Sweden on a simple numbers basis as that fails to bring geography and demographics
to bare.
How is that difficult to grasp? Per made it easy for you ...
Per wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:40 am
In all fairness, there are nearly 330 million people in the USA and only 10 in Sweden, so to make numbers comparable we need to divide the US number by 33. That makes it 443. Still slightly more than 45.

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Post by micky107 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:33 am

5thhorseman wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:01 am
micky107 wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:47 am
Difficult to grasp the validity of graphs comparing the US to Sweden on a simple numbers basis as that fails to bring geography and demographics
to bare.
How is that difficult to grasp? Per made it easy for you ...
Per wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:40 am
In all fairness, there are nearly 330 million people in the USA and only 10 in Sweden, so to make numbers comparable we need to divide the US number by 33. That makes it 443. Still slightly more than 45.
So there are=(in no particular order), Native / White / Black / Latino, plus many others, living in Sweden in the same proportions as in the US.
Sweden has the same variance in climate and landscapes as the US. Size doesn't matter?

Sorry, my mistake. :mrgreen:
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Post by 5thhorseman » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:58 am

micky107 wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:33 am
5thhorseman wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:01 am
micky107 wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:47 am
Difficult to grasp the validity of graphs comparing the US to Sweden on a simple numbers basis as that fails to bring geography and demographics
to bare.
How is that difficult to grasp? Per made it easy for you ...
Per wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:40 am
In all fairness, there are nearly 330 million people in the USA and only 10 in Sweden, so to make numbers comparable we need to divide the US number by 33. That makes it 443. Still slightly more than 45.
So there are=(in no particular order), Native / White / Black / Latino, plus many others, living in Sweden in the same proportions as in the US.
Sweden has the same variance in climate and landscapes as the US. Size doesn't matter?

Sorry, my mistake. :mrgreen:
Of course not, but it doesn't make Per's graph 'invalid' with respect to the point his is making, which is that the US media is the pot calling the kettle black. So it's irrelevant. Anyways.

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Re: CC Random thread

Post by Strangelove » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:48 pm

Per wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:51 pm
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Sweden.

- 211 explosions in 2017.
- 162 explosions in 2018.
- 100 explosions so far this year.

There has been a bombing every other day this year.

This is unprecedented.

Don't let the media make this the new normal. This is not normal.

Retweet to spread awareness

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No need to quote right wing extremists (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Peter_Sweden), this is actually what is at the centre of public debate right now. Criminal gangs, fighting turf wars and extracting revenge from eachother have escalated the violence to a crazy level. In all fairness, very few innocent bystanders have been injured so far, but when you start blowing up the house of the person you’re after, instead of just getting the one guy, it’s bound to happen.

Also, in two recent cases, the hitmen took out the girlfriend instead of the gang member, which is a new low. Criminals used to respect a codex of not going after family members. Apparently not so any more.

One part of the problem is sloppy law texts, that have not considered grenades and explosives weapons, so sentences for being arrested with explosives on you have been more lenient than for carrying a gun.... this is already being addressed.

The next step is how to end the gang wars, that are mostly narcotics related, just the other day two fifteen year old kids were shot in Malmö. Turned out they were ”mules” for some drug dealer. Kids don’t get jail sentences, so the drug gangs recruit minors as mules.... this needs to stop. And it’s really front and centre of mainstream media these days, so why do you feel the need to quote holocaust denying anti-vaxxer islamophobes pretending to be Swedes? :hmmm:
Well I'm glad you Swedes are trying to get to the bottom of this mess.

But I'm concerned because, over there, criminal demographics concerning expats are completely hidden/buried.

(police/prosecutors aren't allowed to gather/publish such statistics amirite?)

I mean how are you going to fix this problem if y'all are limiting yourself to potentially extremely relevant information?

See, I can't help but notice this spike in violence is occurring at precisely the same time as the spike in immigration!

Here is what I'm getting at:

Is it possible you Swedes are not treating these immigrants very well and there is a natural reaction occurring?

Now I'm not suggesting for one moment that ALL Swedes are assholes, but the data is quite telling:

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https://cms-internationsgmbh.netdna-ssl ... Survey.pdf

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Re: CC Random thread

Post by Per » Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:06 am

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Fucking Swedes...
I hear that's quite popular... :look:

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Post by The Brown Wizard » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:37 am

The swedes....wagging the dog with pictures of hot women...

Denmark doesnt even trust you guys anymore...whats up with that?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/13/worl ... weden.html
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