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It's all the salmon. I found a Vancouver seafood distributor in Edmonton. Fresh Sockeye and coho slabs for $13/lb...I can reduce my laughing lettuce intake and bombard my medulla oblongata with the omega oils instead
Donny, you are singular.
I am not going to go through your whole post, Per, but a few points.
Which is it? Because these things aren't like one another.Political commentators have variously described FdI as neo-fascist, post-fascist, right-wing, far-right, nationalist, conservative, socially conservative, national-conservative, right-wing populist, nativist and anti-immigration.
And many don't. What's the point here? I know in the US that the Southern Poverty Law Center takes great pains to identify anyone right of center with a nasty moniker. The progressive left in my country seems to have a belief that if you don't agree with them, you are a racist. Or a sexist. This categorization business is anything but objective. Let's look at what people say and do and not on the conspiracy theories of their opposition.In 2019, academic Đorđe Sredanović placed FdI, along with the neo-fascist parties CasaPound (a split from Tricolour Flame, which refused to join the National Alliance) and New Force (FN) from the Terza Posizione tradition, in the post-fascist/neo-fascist categories.
Immigration...Didn't we establish earlier that wanting to reduce or manage immigration isn't by its nature fascist? I mean, all fascists might wish to restrict immigration, but that doesn't mean all people who oppose (or wish to lessen) immigration are fascists? Of course not -- its the kind of logical reasoning error that I was describing above: I am not a racist, I believe x and y, you don't believe in x and y, therefore you are a racist.Meloni told Corriere della Sera there were no "nostalgic fascists, racists or antisemites in the Brothers of Italy DNA" and that she had always got rid of "ambiguous people", and in other interviews she said there was no place for fascist nostalgia in FdI. Critics have been sceptical, citing Meloni's speeches on immigration and LGBT rights.
So you would also conclude that Justin Trudeau, and consequently his government, are a communist dictatorship (or at least trying to be one)?Per wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 2:19 pm 2) I don’t consider Fratelli d’Italia fascist because of their policies. I haven’t really read up on it that well.
There are a handful of other things that bring me to that conclusion though. Meloni was a member of the MSI youth league, a fascist organisation, when she was younger, and she is on record praising the leadership of Mussolini. Also, it is clear that at least some members of Fratelli d’Italia are openly fascist, especially the ones insisting on doing the ”Roman salute”, ie the same raised arm that the nazis later copied, but that originally is a fascist greeting. And most importantly, their choice of the tricolor flame as their party symbol. I mean, if a party choose the swastika as their party symbol, I will assume thst they are nazis. If they have a hammer and sickle I will assume they are communist. This is the same thing. Their symbol is a traditional symbol of Italian fascism. It will be very hard to convince me that that doesn’t mean anything.
C'mon Mëds, Trudeau doesn't have a hammer & sickle logo. "Emergency powers" to address government protests, suspending parliament, etc., but no logo. At any rate, I don't think Trudeau admires the Marxism as much as totalitarian efficiency.Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:16 amSo you would also conclude that Justin Trudeau, and consequently his government, are a communist dictatorship (or at least trying to be one)?Per wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 2:19 pm 2) I don’t consider Fratelli d’Italia fascist because of their policies. I haven’t really read up on it that well.
There are a handful of other things that bring me to that conclusion though. Meloni was a member of the MSI youth league, a fascist organisation, when she was younger, and she is on record praising the leadership of Mussolini. Also, it is clear that at least some members of Fratelli d’Italia are openly fascist, especially the ones insisting on doing the ”Roman salute”, ie the same raised arm that the nazis later copied, but that originally is a fascist greeting. And most importantly, their choice of the tricolor flame as their party symbol. I mean, if a party choose the swastika as their party symbol, I will assume thst they are nazis. If they have a hammer and sickle I will assume they are communist. This is the same thing. Their symbol is a traditional symbol of Italian fascism. It will be very hard to convince me that that doesn’t mean anything.
He has publicly praised Fidel Castro as a great leader, as well as gone on record as saying he greatly admires the Chinese government.
I doubt he wants to turn Canada communist, but I definitely find those endorsements of dictators and dictatorships very troubling.Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:16 am
So you would also conclude that Justin Trudeau, and consequently his government, are a communist dictatorship (or at least trying to be one)?
He has publicly praised Fidel Castro as a great leader, as well as gone on record as saying he greatly admires the Chinese government.
Well, that's a pretty important thing, isn't it? Does this party wish to dismantle a liberal democracy in favor of a nationalist state with "show" elections, corporatist policies and institutions, unequally apply laws or abandon any semblance of due process based on identity, jail (or worse) political opponents under the guise of threats to the nation (which really means the party), and centralize power in a leader such that parliament and the judiciary are puppets to the regime? That there could be some members of the party who wish for this secretly (and sometimes openly) doesn't address my point that the Italian government is not fascist and there really isn't strong evidence that it will move the Italian state to some kind of neo-fascism. When the best evidence of "policies" that I've seen from Brothers of Italy opponents of their fascism relate to cultural issues where the controlling party seems to be Catholic-inspired but still Catholic-lite, I am really unpersuaded because that's how "traditional" cultural stances are always addressed by progressive opponents. Against gay marriage -- fascists! Policies that encourage more children and family until -- chauvanist/patriarchy/fascist! Its just ad hominem. Yawn.
Strangelove wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 3:36 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1hVXSNeMXQ
Are ALL socialist leaders moneygrubbing crooks?
Good on the UK for getting out while the getting was good...
Well, the good news is that this is not accepted and will not fly in the EU parliament. Arrests have been made, an almost unanimous vote stripped Kalia of her ”vice president” role in parliament (which is really more like assistant speaker), and the president (ie speaker) of the EU parliament is already suggesting reforms that will make it even harder for MEPs to get away with corruption.Strangelove wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 3:41 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WjbeZVfrLA
Whoa, talk about selling one's soul...