We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)

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Topper wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:25 pm https://www.healthing.ca/diseases-and-c ... ysfunction

Skyo, your comments.
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Meds wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:24 pm
Per wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:29 am There's a simple response to anti-vaxxers: dart guns. :look:
To hell with the freedom of choice eh Per.

Just one more bit of proof that you are a fan of tyrannical alt-left communism.
Then maybe some mandatory training to re-educate them on the benefit of vaccines :mex:
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Topper wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:25 pm https://www.healthing.ca/diseases-and-c ... ysfunction

Skyo, your comments.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Why so angry SKYO?

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Try watching shit porn...i hear it helps
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Don’t worry Skyo ... if covid doesn’t get us.... the vaccine will :wink:
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5thhorseman wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:58 pm
Meds wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:24 pm
Per wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:29 am There's a simple response to anti-vaxxers: dart guns. :look:
To hell with the freedom of choice eh Per.

Just one more bit of proof that you are a fan of tyrannical alt-left communism.
Then maybe some mandatory training to re-educate them on the benefit of vaccines :mex:
Not a terrible idea.

However, as a healthcare worker I see minimal benefit in the seasonal vaccines that we currently push every year for the flu.

Last year we saw a flu vaccine that was a bit over 60% effective.....and that was considered a good year. A couple of years ago it was less than 25% effective.

Vaccines that are a one and done, or at least unnecessary for another 10 years seem, to me, to be no-brainers. MMR, Polio, TDap, Hep.....passing on these is height of stupidity. They are proven to work over the long term and really only require a booster as an adult if you are going to be working in a field or region where exposure is likely to be increased.

Something that is required every year, and will include guesswork as to what strain etc., I have no problem with people deciding not to get a needle in the arm every 12 months when there's only a 50/50 chance that it will be effective in keeping you from getting sick.
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Meds wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:39 pm
5thhorseman wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:58 pm
Meds wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:24 pm
Per wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:29 am There's a simple response to anti-vaxxers: dart guns. :look:
To hell with the freedom of choice eh Per.

Just one more bit of proof that you are a fan of tyrannical alt-left communism.
Then maybe some mandatory training to re-educate them on the benefit of vaccines :mex:
Not a terrible idea.

However, as a healthcare worker I see minimal benefit in the seasonal vaccines that we currently push every year for the flu.

Last year we saw a flu vaccine that was a bit over 60% effective.....and that was considered a good year. A couple of years ago it was less than 25% effective.

Vaccines that are a one and done, or at least unnecessary for another 10 years seem, to me, to be no-brainers. MMR, Polio, TDap, Hep.....passing on these is height of stupidity. They are proven to work over the long term and really only require a booster as an adult if you are going to be working in a field or region where exposure is likely to be increased.

Something that is required every year, and will include guesswork as to what strain etc., I have no problem with people deciding not to get a needle in the arm every 12 months when there's only a 50/50 chance that it will be effective in keeping you from getting sick.
My wife's a school nurse and there are parents that opt out of the HPV vaccine for their kids. Nothing she can do.

There are studies now that show that those who got the vaccine before turning 17 has an 88% reduction of risk for cervical cancer compared to those who did not get a vaccine. Those that got it between age 17 and 30 had a 50% reduction of the risk, the lower rate probably because many of them were already infected, and thus got the vaccine too late. And of course this is based on the old vaccine that only protected against the three most common strands of the human papilloma virus, the shots they give now protects against seven, iirc, so it should reduce the cancer risk even more.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1917338

I really cannot understand what kind of parent wishes cancer on their kids..... :hmmm:

But yeah, dart guns was meant as tongue in cheek. I find anti vaxxers unbelievably selfish though. Those with compromised immune systems depend on the rest of us to get vaccines so they get protection through herd immunity as they can't take it themselves. But, sure, you cannot really force a person to take it. But I find it wrong that they are allowed to deprive their children of vaccines.

Flu shots are not really the issue here. Although I have had the flu twice, and damn it's tough on you.
It's more the truly lethal ones, like small pox, TB, polio, measles, HPV...
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They're gonna pump your neocortex full of nanobots man...

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Meds wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:39 pm
Not a terrible idea.

However, as a healthcare worker I see minimal benefit in the seasonal vaccines that we currently push every year for the flu.

Last year we saw a flu vaccine that was a bit over 60% effective.....and that was considered a good year. A couple of years ago it was less than 25% effective.

Vaccines that are a one and done, or at least unnecessary for another 10 years seem, to me, to be no-brainers. MMR, Polio, TDap, Hep.....passing on these is height of stupidity. They are proven to work over the long term and really only require a booster as an adult if you are going to be working in a field or region where exposure is likely to be increased.

Something that is required every year, and will include guesswork as to what strain etc., I have no problem with people deciding not to get a needle in the arm every 12 months when there's only a 50/50 chance that it will be effective in keeping you from getting sick.
Agree with this Meds, this year was the first time in 20 years that I received the flu shot but that was only a precaution against the small chance of getting hit with what ever flu goes around this year and COVID19.

Just can't wait for April when the weather gets better and naturally the # of positives drops significantly and we can go out without a mask again. Then vaccines will roll out and all is good again. Then our #1 topic is why Green is such a terrible coach.
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I just downloaded Reefs neocortex data from YouTube....thats some weird ass shit youre beating off to buddy
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249K vaccines, guessing BC sees 10k of that.
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Topper wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:12 am 249K vaccines, guessing BC sees 10k of that.
It’s a start... I guess :crazy:
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Is there any analysis on which require hospitalization? Are they people with a health issue already or just healthy people? I think I am healthy but how will COVID19 impact me? I understand the elderly or people known to be high risk to get it first along with healthcare workers.

I drink a lot of whisky so maybe that kills all the germs?
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The Brown Wizard wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:30 am I just downloaded Reefs neocortex data from YouTube....thats some weird ass shit youre beating off to buddy
Me?

Are they Asian 8-) ?
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rats19 wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:17 am
Topper wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:12 am 249K vaccines, guessing BC sees 10k of that.
It’s a start... I guess :crazy:
It may only be half that number because a second, followup vaccine needs to also be administered.

Dr Tam is saying 14 sites in Canada for administering the vaccine. Largely due to the complex storage and transport requirements of the vaccine.

Likely going to healthcare workers in direct contact and care for covid patients. (my guess)

There has to be a few posters here of thalidomide age. How keen are you on being an untested/limited testing antivirus vaccine guinea pig?
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2Fingers wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:24 am Is there any analysis on which require hospitalization? Are they people with a health issue already or just healthy people? I think I am healthy but how will COVID19 impact me? I understand the elderly or people known to be high risk to get it first along with healthcare workers.

I drink a lot of whisky so maybe that kills all the germs?
A study in Sweden done on the first wave took note that nearly all covid patients that needed intensive care had vitamin D deficiency, compared to less than half of other hospitalised covid patients. This could indicate that vitamin D deficiency makes the disease worse.

So, yeah, I bought some pills. When it's dark outside you can't produce it yourself.

As for hospitalisation in general, it seems rather random. Most people who die are 80+, but there are lots of people in their 30's, 40's, 50's that need hospital care. They usually survive though, but not all of them.

They say obesity, diabetes and anything that impairs your lung functions are risk factors, but I haven't really seen any stats that confirm it.
Death rates are mostly tied to age.
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