We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
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Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
Hey 5th...straightforward question.
No ulterior motive.
How is being vaccinated stopping infections or the spread of the virus?
No ulterior motive.
How is being vaccinated stopping infections or the spread of the virus?
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Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
That is the question of the moment, is it not? Whether the vaccine reduces viral load or duration. I haven't seen any conclusive study on that either way as yet, though admittedly I haven't been looking of late.
Back to Mëds' theory, if the vaccine does nothing to stop infection or spread, then how has it forced anything with regard to mutations?
Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
I think we could both go online for 20 minutes and find legit theories for both sides of the question from credible, educated, well regarded individuals.5thhorseman wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:46 pm That is the question of the moment, is it not? Whether the vaccine reduces viral load or duration. I haven't seen any conclusive study on that either way as yet, though admittedly I haven't been looking of late.
It's a sad state of affairs either way....
...over to you Mëds....5thhorseman wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:46 pm Back to Mëds' theory, if the vaccine does nothing to stop infection or spread, then how has it forced anything with regard to mutations?
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Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
Similar principle to how overuse of antibiotics "created" the superbugs.donlever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:48 pmI think we could both go online for 20 minutes and find legit theories for both sides of the question from credible, educated, well regarded individuals.5thhorseman wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:46 pm That is the question of the moment, is it not? Whether the vaccine reduces viral load or duration. I haven't seen any conclusive study on that either way as yet, though admittedly I haven't been looking of late.
It's a sad state of affairs either way....
...over to you Mëds....5thhorseman wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:46 pm Back to Mëds' theory, if the vaccine does nothing to stop infection or spread, then how has it forced anything with regard to mutations?
Viruses mutate to stay alive. Virus enters host and host is ready for it virus is forced to adapt faster and mutates. Virus enters host and host isn't ready, virus sits complacently in his barker lounger.
I'll try and dig up the properly explained theory that comes from someone more educated than me.
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Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
True, but that can be said for many subjects. It doesn't mean absolute truth doesn't exist or can't be deduced.donlever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:48 pmI think we could both go online for 20 minutes and find legit theories for both sides of the question from credible, educated, well regarded individuals.5thhorseman wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:46 pm That is the question of the moment, is it not? Whether the vaccine reduces viral load or duration. I haven't seen any conclusive study on that either way as yet, though admittedly I haven't been looking of late.
It's a sad state of affairs either way....
In any case I don't regard something from any one individual as being conclusive anyways. Give me something that's been peer reviewed and published in a respected scientific publication with a high impact factor.
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Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
....from credible, educated, well regarded individuals.5thhorseman wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:50 pm In any case I don't regard something from any one individual as being conclusive anyways.
I went with the plural to cover that avenue my friend.
Manipulated by the man you mean!5thhorseman wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:50 pm Give me something that's been peer reviewed and published in a respected scientific publication with a high impact factor.
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Not so sure about that....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5075021/
Our current knowledge of viral mutation rates indicates that viral genetic diversity is determined by multiple virus- and host-dependent processes, and that viral mutation rates can evolve in response to specific selective pressures.
Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
Is there a difference between a virus mutating (random) and evolving (most useful mutations carry on) ?
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Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
Ask Mick.
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Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
Yeah, was more running with a mutating virus gag there....
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Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
Is there really a difference? A group of credible, educated, well regarded individuals agreeing on something is the essence of peer review. Is it the act of publishing that something that is suspect? How is scientific knowledge to be shared without publishing it?donlever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:02 pm....from credible, educated, well regarded individuals.5thhorseman wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:50 pm In any case I don't regard something from any one individual as being conclusive anyways.
I went with the plural to cover that avenue my friend.
Manipulated by the man you mean!5thhorseman wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:50 pm Give me something that's been peer reviewed and published in a respected scientific publication with a high impact factor.
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Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
Nothing is suspect 5th.
I'm just playin' about trying to have a laugh or two here...
Doobie time bro....
I'm just playin' about trying to have a laugh or two here...
Doobie time bro....
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