We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
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https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-sund ... 9101209550
"The BBC Conspired in the Campaign of Fear that Kept Britain Locked Up"
Great article.
"The BBC Conspired in the Campaign of Fear that Kept Britain Locked Up"
Great article.
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Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
Most of the stuff you read about Sweden and covid is factually incorrect. Typically they write that the Swedish government decided to not impose a lockdown and instead go for achieving herd immunity through letting the virus spread.
Now, the Swedish government never had the option of imposing a lockdown, as our constitution does not grant them that power. And changing the constitution requires a 67 % majority in parliament twice, with a general election held between votes, so it would take several years to implement.
OK, I understand that it seems several other countries imposed lockdowns eventhough their constitutions did not allow for it either, and they just ignored it, but that's not the way we do business here. And of course, the UK does not really have a constitution so their government is always free to do whatever they please, Brexit being a case in point. Less than 52 % in favour in a referndum that had a mere 72% participation rate? And that's enough? Sheesh. When we joined, we did it through consitutional change, so it took several years to have in place, and in order to leave it would require the same process. Two thirds majority in parliament twice, with a general election held between votes. Gives you some stability and predictability in life. But I digress.
The other notion, that they let the virus roam free, is also wrong. The government issued recommendations, a statement that many may roll their eyes at, but Swedes in general tend to follow recommendations. They also imposed restrictions on how many people could meet. At some point that was as low as 8, and restaurants had to have at least a two meter distance between separate groups of people. Theatres and movie theatres had to shut down temporarily, and sports events could not have more than 30 people attending. They made an exception for youth sports though, as our health authorities figured the long term effects of kids not participating in sports would be a greater health hazard than the pandemic, especially as the mortality rate had a very high correlation to age, and very few children became seriously ill. They never closed elementary schools, but high schools and universities were moved online. But they banned visitors from homes for the elderly and recommended that people over 70 should isolate completely and not meet other people if possible.
It was recommended that you should not travel, but there were no actual restrictions imposed on travel, once again for constitutional reasons. That kind of restrictions can only be used in war times, and a pandemic is not really a war. We did at some point start requiring that visitors from other countries must have had a negative test within the last 48 hours before entering the country though.
Anyway, several news outlets also claimed that Sweden fared much worse than other comparable countries, which was never really true. We got covid fairly early, as Italy was the first country hit hard in Europe, and lots of Swedes were on ski vacations in the Alps as the pandemic struck, bringing the virus back home so that we were struck earlier than many other places in Northern Europe. So, yes, initially we had more cases than many others, but looking at how it spread, the process was not really faster in Sweden than elsewhere. just that we started earlier than most. Also, many countries severely underreport covid deaths, instead labelling them pneumonia or causes unknown. If you instead of the official covid reporting look at excess deaths during the pandemic, Sweden did pretty well. At this point there are only four countries in Europe with lower excess deaths; Iceland, Norway, Denmark and Ireland. And two of those are islands. Our cumulative excess deaths per 100,000 between Jan 2020 and Feb 2023 at 184 is higher than Canada's 125, but less than half of the 400 in the USA. But then, in the USA many people deliberately ignored the government recommendations as somehow the whole thing ended up being seen as being about politics rather than health.
There is actually a parallell in Eastern Europe where people for historical reasons tend to distrust the government and vaccination rates were very low.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/exce ... SA~IDN~BRA
Now, the Swedish government never had the option of imposing a lockdown, as our constitution does not grant them that power. And changing the constitution requires a 67 % majority in parliament twice, with a general election held between votes, so it would take several years to implement.
OK, I understand that it seems several other countries imposed lockdowns eventhough their constitutions did not allow for it either, and they just ignored it, but that's not the way we do business here. And of course, the UK does not really have a constitution so their government is always free to do whatever they please, Brexit being a case in point. Less than 52 % in favour in a referndum that had a mere 72% participation rate? And that's enough? Sheesh. When we joined, we did it through consitutional change, so it took several years to have in place, and in order to leave it would require the same process. Two thirds majority in parliament twice, with a general election held between votes. Gives you some stability and predictability in life. But I digress.
The other notion, that they let the virus roam free, is also wrong. The government issued recommendations, a statement that many may roll their eyes at, but Swedes in general tend to follow recommendations. They also imposed restrictions on how many people could meet. At some point that was as low as 8, and restaurants had to have at least a two meter distance between separate groups of people. Theatres and movie theatres had to shut down temporarily, and sports events could not have more than 30 people attending. They made an exception for youth sports though, as our health authorities figured the long term effects of kids not participating in sports would be a greater health hazard than the pandemic, especially as the mortality rate had a very high correlation to age, and very few children became seriously ill. They never closed elementary schools, but high schools and universities were moved online. But they banned visitors from homes for the elderly and recommended that people over 70 should isolate completely and not meet other people if possible.
It was recommended that you should not travel, but there were no actual restrictions imposed on travel, once again for constitutional reasons. That kind of restrictions can only be used in war times, and a pandemic is not really a war. We did at some point start requiring that visitors from other countries must have had a negative test within the last 48 hours before entering the country though.
Anyway, several news outlets also claimed that Sweden fared much worse than other comparable countries, which was never really true. We got covid fairly early, as Italy was the first country hit hard in Europe, and lots of Swedes were on ski vacations in the Alps as the pandemic struck, bringing the virus back home so that we were struck earlier than many other places in Northern Europe. So, yes, initially we had more cases than many others, but looking at how it spread, the process was not really faster in Sweden than elsewhere. just that we started earlier than most. Also, many countries severely underreport covid deaths, instead labelling them pneumonia or causes unknown. If you instead of the official covid reporting look at excess deaths during the pandemic, Sweden did pretty well. At this point there are only four countries in Europe with lower excess deaths; Iceland, Norway, Denmark and Ireland. And two of those are islands. Our cumulative excess deaths per 100,000 between Jan 2020 and Feb 2023 at 184 is higher than Canada's 125, but less than half of the 400 in the USA. But then, in the USA many people deliberately ignored the government recommendations as somehow the whole thing ended up being seen as being about politics rather than health.
There is actually a parallell in Eastern Europe where people for historical reasons tend to distrust the government and vaccination rates were very low.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/exce ... SA~IDN~BRA
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https://www.npr.org/2023/03/07/11616237 ... ng-bodegas
"In order to save lives, wear a mask!"
"In order to save lives, don't wear a mask!"
Clown World, weeeeeeeeeee...
NYC Mayor Eric Adams is telling stores to have customers remove their face masks
March 7, 2023
Worries about the safety of New York City's deli clerks and bodega workers have Mayor Eric Adams making an unusual request: Members of the public should lower their face masks to reassure store workers they're not criminals, Adams and other city leaders said on Monday.
"We are putting out a clear call to all of our shops, do not allow people to enter the store without taking off their face mask," Adams said in an interview with radio station 1010 WINS.
"When you see these mask-wearing people, oftentimes it's not about being fearful of the pandemic, it's fearful of the police catching them for their deeds," the mayor said.
This is real," said Fernando Mateo, president of the United Bodegas of America, adding that the policy could help shop workers stay alive.
"You're going into a small business, into a bodega, be ready to take your masks off," Mateo said.
"In order to save lives, wear a mask!"
"In order to save lives, don't wear a mask!"
Clown World, weeeeeeeeeee...
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Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
Nobody's hiding anything. Even Joe Blow can have a look now.rats19 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:54 amUntil answered….5thhorseman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:53 amNo, let's have at least a dozen more. How many do you need?rats19 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:26 amWhat would garner more nothingness….? Stopping the investigations5thhorseman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:17 amOf course we're concerned and don't want this to happen again, but more investigations won't get us any closer to the truth, so who cares about all these "conclusions"? Like Corn says, of China doesn't cooperate then it's pointless.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/u-s-house- ... -1.6308322
U.S. House votes to declassify info about origins of COVID-19
Published March 10, 2023 11:47 a.m. PST
WASHINGTON - The House voted unanimously on Friday to declassify U.S. intelligence information about the origins of COVID-19, a sweeping show of bipartisan support near the third anniversary of the start of the deadly pandemic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xnzcCyvJt8Cornuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:42 am Still no definite answers....
The US Department of Energy concluded the most likely origin of the COVID-19 pandemic was an unintentional lab leak in China, according to sources citing a classified report. The findings reverse a 2021 analysis from the department but were said to have included new intelligence; specific details were not provided.
The report adds to the uncertainty around the pandemic's origins. The recent report was made with "low confidence," but agrees with an earlier FBI report made with "medium confidence." However, four other US government agencies, as well as the National Intelligence Council, concluded the virus probably spilled over from a natural source. An analysis from the CIA remained undecided. An on-the-ground follow-up probe by the World Health Organization was recently blocked by China.
Proponents of a lab leak origin point to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, located where the first major outbreak was observed. Studies have pointed to wet markets as a point of origin, particularly the handling of animals that are known virus reservoirs.
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Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
Chat GPT just passed the bar.
Once it acquires sentience it will sue us and take all of our money.
Game over
Once it acquires sentience it will sue us and take all of our money.
Game over
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Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
You fuckers are burying that good story I told.
“I don’t care what you and some other poster were talking about”
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That's on the other thread innit?
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Trudeau claims that being an English major he knows the meaning of words and claims he never forced anyone to get vaccinated.
Is duress an English word?
Is duress an English word?
Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.
I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.
I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.
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This gentleman has an interesting theory regarding peoples crazy behavior during covid.
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Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
Where the fuck is Blobert????
Dude are you dead or just in jail? Recovering from open heart surgery?
What about BLOB?!?!!
If you need air...call it in
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Very interesting.
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The allegation is an outgrowth of remarks that Kennedy has made in interviews, but his campaign now says were not intended to be taken literally.
Kennedy said during an October 2022 video interview with podcaster Brian Rose that “75% of advertising revenues now in the mainstream media are now coming from pharma and that ratio is even higher for the evening news.”
“Anderson Cooper has a $12 million a year annual salary,” he continued. “Well $10 million of that is coming from Pfizer. His boss is not CNN. His boss is Pfizer.”
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