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Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 12:18 pm
by Doyle Hargraves
micky107 wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 12:13 pm
Always liked 69.
They do things a little different out in the Bible Belt Mickey

Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 12:29 pm
by Strangelove
Island Nucklehead wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 12:04 pm
Strangelove wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 11:15 am
Downgrading?

Blob's Vancouver Canucks have drafted 15 times in the top 68 over the past 5 seasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_V ... raft_picks

Are you happy in the false reality you have created?
68 is a funny place to draw the line...
Hey if you don't like that number, you are welcome to choose another and post your research.

68 happens to be my second favorite number.

Anyhoo, no team has drafted more players in the top 68 over the past 5 years than Om's Vancouver Canucks.

So again I ask... WHAT DOWNGRADING OF PICKS. :mex:

Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:07 pm
by Island Nucklehead
Strangelove wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 12:29 pm
Island Nucklehead wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 12:04 pm
Strangelove wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 11:15 am
Downgrading?

Blob's Vancouver Canucks have drafted 15 times in the top 68 over the past 5 seasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_V ... raft_picks

Are you happy in the false reality you have created?
68 is a funny place to draw the line...
Hey if you don't like that number, you are welcome to choose another and post your research.

68 happens to be my second favorite number.

Anyhoo, no team has drafted more players in the top 68 over the past 5 years than Om's Vancouver Canucks.
Seeing as the Canucks have been in the basement pretty much since Benning arrived, of course that means they're likely to have more picks in the "top-68". The 7-8 worst teams would have one extra pick!

Picks in the first three rounds since 2014 (give or take :lol:)

Anaheim: 17
Boston: 16
Buffalo: 18
Calgary: 11
Carolina: 18
Chicago: 17
Colorado:14
Columbus: 17
Dallas: 13
Detroit: 20
Edmonton: 13
Florida: 15
Los Angeles: 13
Minnesota: 10
Montreal: 17
Nashville: 13
Jersey: 15
Islanders: 14
Rangers: 15
Senators: 13
Flyers: 19
Coyotes: 23
Pittsburgh: 9
Sharks: 13
St Louis: 12
Tampa: 18
Toronto: 18
Vancouver: 15
Vegas: 7
Washington: 11
Winnipeg: 14

So yeah, more than a third of the league has drafted more in the top-3 rounds than Vancouver over the past 5 seasons. But I see why you did that, if you made it an even playing field, it wouldn't suit your narrative.

Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:13 pm
by SKYO
A good read on Blues GM Armstrong.

https://bleedinblue.com/2018/12/20/st-l ... armstrong/

Notable moves past couple years.

June 23, 2017: Center Brayden Schenn was traded to the St. Louis Blues by the Philadelphia Flyers on Friday for forward Jori Lehtera (cap dump), the No. 27 pick in the 2017 NHL Draft and a conditional pick in the 2018 draft.

2017/18 season trade deadline - Armstrong said we are not a contender & traded Stastny to Jets for a 2018 1st, 2020 4th and Erik Foley(was a 3rd rd pick).

July 1st, 2018 signed veteran's Perron, Bozak and Johnson. (said signing bozak was a move to shore up center, as there is no guarantee of other moves----but still ended up getting/trading for ROR).

July 1st, 2018 evening - Blockbuster trade (Sobotka, Berglund cap dumps) Thompson, 2019 1st, 2021 2nd. for O'Reilly also agreed to pay his big signing bonus thanks to rich owners, Sabres said price would have went up if they had to pay his bonus.


-So he got rid of some bad contracts but at the cost of draft picks. "After a certain point, the general manager should be able to wash his hands of certain messes."
Despite the faults listed, the Blues have never been bad enough to get those lottery players. So, Armstrong had to be savvy in the draft and the free agent market and then make the occasional trade on top of that. The Blues have rarely had the sustained success as they have seen under Armstrong.
-Kept his beaten up aging defense.
-and goalie Binnington went on fire this midway in season to resurrect the franchise as midway thru this current season things were looking bleak.

Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:27 pm
by Micky
Island Nucklehead wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 1:07 pm

Picks in the first three rounds since 2014 (give or take :lol:)

Anaheim: 17
Boston: 16
Buffalo: 18
Calgary: 11
Carolina: 18
Chicago: 17
Colorado:14
Columbus: 17
Dallas: 13
Detroit: 20
Edmonton: 13
Florida: 15
Los Angeles: 13
Minnesota: 10
Montreal: 17
Nashville: 13
Jersey: 15
Islanders: 14
Rangers: 15
Senators: 13
Flyers: 19
Coyotes: 23
Pittsburgh: 9
Sharks: 13
St Louis: 12
Tampa: 18
Toronto: 18
Vancouver: 15
Vegas: 7
Washington: 11
Winnipeg: 14
Coyotes; The unmovable franchise; Why?
Hey, I like Arizona the State but that Glendale team aint never gonna get it right. 23. :shock:

Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:47 pm
by Doyle Hargraves
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Downgrading?

Blob's Vancouver Canucks have drafted 15 times in the top 68 over the past 5 seasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_V ... raft_picks

Are you happy in the false reality you have created?
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68 is a funny place to draw the line...
[/quote]

Hey if you don't like that number, you are welcome to choose another and post your research.

68 happens to be my second favorite number.

Anyhoo, [b][u]no team has drafted more players in the top 68 over the past 5 years[/u][/b] than Om's Vancouver Canucks.

[/quote]

Seeing as the Canucks have been in the basement pretty much since Benning arrived, of course that means they're likely to have more picks in the "top-68". The 7-8 worst teams would have one extra pick!

Picks in the first three rounds since 2014 (give or take :lol:)

Anaheim: 17
Boston: 16
Buffalo: 18
Calgary: 11
Carolina: 18
Chicago: 17
Colorado:14
Columbus: 17
Dallas: 13
Detroit: 20
Edmonton: 13
Florida: 15
Los Angeles: 13
Minnesota: 10
Montreal: 17
Nashville: 13
Jersey: 15
Islanders: 14
Rangers: 15
Senators: 13
Flyers: 19
Coyotes: 23
Pittsburgh: 9
Sharks: 13
St Louis: 12
Tampa: 18
Toronto: 18
Vancouver: 15
Vegas: 7
Washington: 11
Winnipeg: 14

So yeah, more than a third of the league has drafted more in the top-3 rounds than Vancouver over the past 5 seasons. But I see why you did that, if you made it an even playing field, it wouldn't suit your narrative.
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One of those 2nd round picks for Vancouver was a gift from the NHL

Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:58 pm
by Strangelove
Island Nucklehead wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 1:07 pm
So yeah, more than a third of the league has drafted more in the top-3 rounds than Vancouver over the past 5 seasons. But I see why you did that, if you made it an even playing field, it wouldn't suit your narrative.
Thank you, again I ask... WHAT DOWNGRADING OF PICKS. :mex:

(let's not forget why we're having this conversation!)


Let's try picks in the top 37 over the past 5 drafts:

ANAHEIM DUCKS 5
ARIZONA COYOTES 8
CALGARY FLAMES 4
EDMONTON OILERS 6
LOS ANGELES KINGS 3
SAN JOSE SHARKS 5
VANCOUVER CANUCKS 9
VEGAS GOLDEN KNIGHTS 4
CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS 4
COLORADO AVALANCHE 6
DALLAS STARS 6
MINNESOTA WILD 4
NASHVILLE PREDATORS 3
ST. LOUIS BLUES 7
WINNIPEG JETS 6
CAROLINA HURRICANES 8
COLUMBUS BLUE JACKETS 6
NEW JERSEY DEVILS 6
NEW YORK ISLANDERS 7
NEW YORK RANGERS 5
PHILADELPHIA FLYERS 10
PITTSBURGH PENGUINS 1
WASHINGTON CAPITALS 4
BOSTON BRUINS 8
BUFFALO SABRES 9
DETROIT RED WINGS 8
FLORIDA PANTHERS 7
MONTREAL CANADIENS 6
OTTAWA SENATORS 7
TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING 6
TORONTO MAPLE Leaves 7


As you can see, only 1 team (Flyers) drafted more than Canucks in the top 37 since Jimmy arrived.

And just look at those numbers, if most of those teams just missed the cutoff, they're still not even close.

Again I ask... WHAT DOWNGRADING OF PICKS. :mex:

Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 2:08 pm
by Doyle Hargraves
Lol now he shifts to the top 37.


Wot a beauty! In a Danny Devito sort of way

Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 2:26 pm
by Strangelove
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 2:08 pm
Lol now he shifts to the top 37.

Wot a beauty! In a Danny Devito sort of way
Brilliant reply as always...

Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 4:37 pm
by Hockey Widow
Well I think the point is that Benning has done a decent job keeping picks, even though he has trade a slew he has recovered a slew. Sure it could be better but it’s not as dire as some would suggest.

Yes, the NHL gifted us a 2nd. Let’s not count that though.

Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 6:21 pm
by Topper
Baubles showing his math

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Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 7:34 pm
by Chef Boi RD
Blob and IN are conflicted beyond reason. They are children having temper tantrums at a toy store.

Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 2:10 am
by SKYO
I'd bet on the Canucks core over the pure analytics teams and pure tanker teams.

Buffalo, Oilers, AZ, Florida off the top.

I'd reckon if the Canucks indeed sign EK we'd be ahead of even Toronto and their trash defense & everyone knows defense wins, but even if not, lets take a peak.

Sabres Eichel-Mittelstadt-Reinhart-Dahlin-Risto (how the tf are these guys garbage? - I guess goaltending and Risto being the worst dman in the league defensively and Eichel not being true top tier.
Oilers McDavid-Draisaitl-......
AZ Keller-Dvorak-Galchenyuk-Stepan-ELO-Chychrun
Panthers Huberdeau-Barkov-Trochek-Ekblad

Canucks
Pettersson-Boeser-Horvat-Hughes
DEMKO seals the deal

TRUE franchise #1C - True #1 RW, True #2C, True #1 dman QB Hughes and a franchise goalie.
those guys will make everyone around them much better.

Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 2:34 am
by Island Nucklehead
Hockey Widow wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 4:37 pm
Well I think the point is that Benning has done a decent job keeping picks, even though he has trade a slew he has recovered a slew. Sure it could be better but it’s not as dire as some would suggest.

Yes, the NHL gifted us a 2nd. Let’s not count that though.
He’s remained around average when it comes to number of draft picks, which some find disappointing for a rebuilding team that’s gone through massive turnover since he arrived. That’s all.

Re: The Bubbles and Dud review every GM move thread

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 2:49 am
by SKYO
Island Nucklehead wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 2:34 am
Hockey Widow wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 4:37 pm
Well I think the point is that Benning has done a decent job keeping picks, even though he has trade a slew he has recovered a slew. Sure it could be better but it’s not as dire as some would suggest.

Yes, the NHL gifted us a 2nd. Let’s not count that though.
He’s remained around average when it comes to number of draft picks, which some find disappointing for a rebuilding team that’s gone through massive turnover since he arrived. That’s all.
One must take into account two things.

Gillis horrendous handle of the franchise of locking in vets especially into NTC's.

AND a owner hellbent on making the playoffs as that's what was Benning's first GM job when he was hired after 2014.....thus to make the 2015 playoffs as per requested of the bosses. ( think of it, a former GM locked up the vets with NTC Sedins - a fan favourite - future HHOF - gotta give them one last run...but failed.

then was left of all the No-Trade-Clauses contracts of Gillis to deal with of all the 2011 vets, with no easy trades of the vets there - consequently which gave Benning little value to deal with, hell even Alex Edler is still flexing his NTC from Mike Gillis.