The Absurd and Whimsical Humour of Vladimir "Dobby" Putin

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Cousin Strawberry wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:46 am
rats19 wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:05 am
Cousin Strawberry wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:03 am They should probably remain neutral as long as this Russian regime is conducting "special operations" on neighbouring sovereign states. It doesn't pay to antagonize zealots unless you have the muscle to defend yourself...which the Finn's and Swedes do not.
They would if they joined….
This is what the Ukes were doing. Didn't work out that well did it

NATO doesn't automatically accept a nation....it takes years of deliberations. This delay is why Putin stormed the castle
Using that logic….. then NATO is useless

I don’t believe it is….
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rats19 wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:49 am
Cousin Strawberry wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:46 am
rats19 wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:05 am
Cousin Strawberry wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:03 am They should probably remain neutral as long as this Russian regime is conducting "special operations" on neighbouring sovereign states. It doesn't pay to antagonize zealots unless you have the muscle to defend yourself...which the Finn's and Swedes do not.
They would if they joined….
This is what the Ukes were doing. Didn't work out that well did it

NATO doesn't automatically accept a nation....it takes years of deliberations. This delay is why Putin stormed the castle
Using that logic….. then NATO is useless

I don’t believe it is….
NATO fucked around with the Ukraine's acceptance allowing the Russians time to obliterate the threat. Nations considering doing the same should probably take this into account
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Yes that makes sense…. :crazy:
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I think the days of the west being worried about 'upsetting' Russia are over. Russia played their hand and the fallout will be felt for a long time.

I'm guessing there's a few countries wanting to join NATO now.
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Cousin Strawberry wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:46 am
rats19 wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:05 am
Cousin Strawberry wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:03 am They should probably remain neutral as long as this Russian regime is conducting "special operations" on neighbouring sovereign states. It doesn't pay to antagonize zealots unless you have the muscle to defend yourself...which the Finn's and Swedes do not.
They would if they joined….
This is what the Ukes were doing. Didn't work out that well did it

NATO doesn't automatically accept a nation....it takes years of deliberations. This delay is why Putin stormed the castle
Uhm... apples and oranges.

Nato did not want Ukraine and/or Georgia to join. The Ukraine and Geoegia wanted to, but Nato has been more like "oh, you want to join, how nice, well, we're a bit busy right now, but maybe we can have lunch sometime and discuss this... Oh, shit, seems I'm fully booked for the moment, but we'll definitely consider this. Leave your phone number with my secretary. We'll talk to you later. Don't call us, we'll call you.

In the case of Finland and Sweden, they have been wooing us since WW2. We're their dream candidates. Jens Stoltenberg, the Norwegian who is the head of Nato, has stated that they would accept us immediately. We fullfill all their criteria and there's no need for any waiting period.

And talking about Ukraine... Sweden and Finland have a partnership with Nato, the same thing that Ukraine had. We have been saying that even though we're not members, we do have a partnership, so Nato would surely assist us if anything happens. Yeah right. :roll:

The Russian attack on Ukraine has proven the whole partnership thing to be useless. Those who insisted that this was almost the same have been proven wrong. So, the popular opinion has switched from pro-neutrality to pro-Nato in no time. Finland will almost certainly apply in May, and if we don't we're the only Nordic country outside of Nato, so so much for regional cooperation. :|

Most people in both Finland and Sweden favour close military cooperation between our two countries, so most think we should handle the Nato question in tandem. And with two thirds of the Finns wanting to join, they'll drag us into this the same way we dragged them into the European Union. Public opinion in Sweden favoured joining the EU, but the Finns were more sceptical, yet once they realized we were joining they tagged along.

Oh... as for muscle... the Russians tried to conquer Finland three times in the 20th century.
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Oh, and for the record... Ukraine had neutrality written into their constitution until Russia invaded and annexed Crime in 2014.

Then they took it out and applied for Nato membership.

And Nato has been wary of letting Georgia and/or Ukraine join precisely because both countries have parts of their territory under Russian control. Same goes for Moldova, albeit I'm not sure they have applied?

And, no, they haven't. They still have a neutrality clause in their constitution, same as Ukraine used to have.

Hmm... I didn't realize Russia has the same "partnership for peace" status as Sweden and Finland! :shock:
As does Belarus, apparently. Shit. We need to be more careful about who we hang with... :hmmm:

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Timofey Sergeytsev is proposing a final solution of the Ukraine problem: :crazy:

https://theconversation.com/manifesto-p ... ine-181006

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Per wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:24 am
In the case of Finland and Sweden, they have been wooing us since WW2. We're their dream candidates. Jens Stoltenberg, the Norwegian who is the head of Nato, has stated that they would accept us immediately. We fullfill all their criteria and there's no need for any waiting period.

Its not up to Jens St-doobie-berg. It would be voted on by member nations and given the recent bullshit associated with Ukraine, the established NATO members may not be so inclined to open up a new "special operation" front in Finland/Sverige.

Russia is all fucked up, angry and not wanting any more NATO positions on their borders. They are prepared to exert maximum force to prevent this shit from happening. The fact that he's already rattled the nuclear sabre regarding you guys signing on should give everyone pause when it comes to making things worse

The west needs to allow Russia to end the conflict without having anymore egg on their face than their military ineptitude has already demonstrated. They need an out....soon...or we may see them get desperate and deploy nasty shit like Nukes or chemicals to save face
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Video is coming out of US contract soldiers (mercenaries) fighting in the Ukraine. I can only assume NATO/US is paying for them. A glance at Flightradar this afternoon and a US F-16 (call sign Viper 21) was mid air refuelling over Roumania near the Moldova.....and then the F-16 was gone......

Eastern Ukraine is apparently a massive network of trenches making Russian mobility on the ground extremely slow going but also limiting any sort of escape for what remains of the locals.
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Cousin Strawberry wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:53 pm
Per wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:24 am
In the case of Finland and Sweden, they have been wooing us since WW2. We're their dream candidates. Jens Stoltenberg, the Norwegian who is the head of Nato, has stated that they would accept us immediately. We fullfill all their criteria and there's no need for any waiting period.

Its not up to Jens St-doobie-berg. It would be voted on by member nations and given the recent bullshit associated with Ukraine, the established NATO members may not be so inclined to open up a new "special operation" front in Finland/Sverige.

Russia is all fucked up, angry and not wanting any more NATO positions on their borders. They are prepared to exert maximum force to prevent this shit from happening. The fact that he's already rattled the nuclear sabre regarding you guys signing on should give everyone pause when it comes to making things worse

The west needs to allow Russia to end the conflict without having anymore egg on their face than their military ineptitude has already demonstrated. They need an out....soon...or we may see them get desperate and deploy nasty shit like Nukes or chemicals to save face
It makes me sick how the west is pussy footing around with this asshole. They should have taken a much harder stand against him and is inferior armed forces. They should have sent in thier air force and as many missles and weapons as possible and drive this shit show of an invasion force back to Russia with thier tail between their legs. Nuclear weapons be damned!

I guess it's a good thing I'm not in charge :roll: :roll: :mex: :drink:
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You have to pussyfoot around a maniac with his finger on the doomsday button. A direct conventional conflict with Russia will inevitably end in nuclear war.
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Cousin Strawberry wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:25 pm You have to pussyfoot around a maniac with his finger on the doomsday button. A direct conventional conflict with Russia will inevitably end in nuclear war.
I was being sarcastic :look: . On a side note - if their nukes are as poorly maintained as their other military equipment, I wonder how many of them are actually operable?
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BCExpat wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:34 pm
Cousin Strawberry wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:25 pm You have to pussyfoot around a maniac with his finger on the doomsday button. A direct conventional conflict with Russia will inevitably end in nuclear war.
I was being sarcastic :look: . On a side note - if their nukes are as poorly maintained as their other military equipment, I wonder how many of them are actually operable?
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Per wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:31 pm Timofey Sergeytsev is proposing a final solution of the Ukraine problem: :crazy:

https://theconversation.com/manifesto-p ... ine-181006

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And our Liberal government wants to get their own claws on control of media here in Canada. But yeah, we're a stable democracy.....
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Mëds wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:31 pm
Per wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:31 pm Timofey Sergeytsev is proposing a final solution of the Ukraine problem: :crazy:

https://theconversation.com/manifesto-p ... ine-181006

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And our Liberal government wants to get their own claws on control of media here in Canada. But yeah, we're a stable democracy.....
Yes you are. Terrible case of whataboutism. :hmmm:

Apart from a great hockey legacy, vast areas of frozen tundra, oil, polar bears and an Inuit minority, Canada and Russia have very little in common.

One is a thriving democracy, ranked 12th in the world in the Economist's Democracy Index, the other a brutal dictatorship ranked 124th out of 167 nations. Canada is listed as having a "satisfactory" situation* in the Press Freedom Index released by Reporters Without Borders (same as the US, Australia and most of Western Europe), whereas Russia is listed under "difficult" situation. And that was before the war. Now it's even harsher.
And at 38 million people Canada still has a higher GDP than Russia with 144 million. GDP per capita is more than four times higher than in Russia.

Would I consider moving to Canada and becoming a Canadian citizen? Sure, why not.
Would I consider moving to Russia and becoming a Russian citizen? Not in a million years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters ... edom_Index
https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/

Trudeau may have some terrible instincts, but he still hasn't invaded any neighbouring countries or assassinated any political opponents (afaik).
And you still have a (reasonably) free press as well as fair and free elections. Russia has none of that.


*very few countries are listed as having a good situation regarding press freedom; it is basically New Zeeland, Ireland, the Nordic countries, Belgium, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Portugal and surprisingly enough Costa Rica and Jamaica.
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