Israeli–Palestinian conflict

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Hmmm funny how your map is so similar to this one:

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Yeah Sweden remained neutral during WWII as well.

They looooooved them some Nazis they did!

Allowed 'em to use their railways to move Nazi troops + weapons.

Sold 'em plenty of iron for their war machine....

Yeah, not surprised to hear they loooooooove them some Palestinians!

Fuckin Swedes...
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Strangelove wrote:
Hmmm funny how your map is so similar to this one:

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Interesting... So basically the entire "2nd world" and "3rd world" have opted to recognise Palestine, whereas most of the "1st world" countries are still dragging their feet? Hm. :?

There seems to be an increasing frustration in Western Europe with Netanyahu though. Iceland were quicker then Sweden, and there are motions within both the British and French parliaments to move forward.

Strangelove wrote: Fuckin Swedes...

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Please note that the PM in the video is the actual Swedish PM.
Or rather, was, for the past eight years.
We got a new one this September.
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Per wrote:Please note that the PM in the video is the actual Swedish PM.
Or rather, was, for the past eight years.
We got a new one this September.
You know, I watched the whole video, but this was all I heard in my head, on loop.

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Per wrote: Cheers! :cheers:
:drink: :thumbs:
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BUMP

viewtopic.php?p=370393#p370393

(from the Getting Warmer thread, we were way off topic there)
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Strangelove wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:30 pm BUMP

viewtopic.php?p=370393#p370393

(from the Getting Warmer thread, we were way off topic there)
From that whole miscarriage of justice of a post.
This sticks out as how far over your head my point was
Seriously, you expect me to treat a nutjob like YOU the same way I treat Per/others? :lol:
Try to rise up past your own arrogance for just one moment and understand. I am not complaining how YOU treat ME. I am point out how YOU treat EVERYBODY who doesn’t agree with you.

And heaven forbid someone should actually show you up in public- holy shit hell hath no fury like your scorn.

You should ask yourself why this place stagnates with only the same few posters.
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ukcanuck wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:03 pm miscarriage of justice
BAILIFF... take him away. :drink:

ukcanuck wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:03 pm I am not complaining how YOU treat ME.
Well of course you are! :lol:

BAILIFF... whack his peepee!
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Strangelove wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:13 pm
ukcanuck wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:03 pm miscarriage of justice
BAILIFF... take him away.

ukcanuck wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:03 pm I am not complaining how YOU treat ME.
Well of course you are! :lol:

BAILIFF... whack his peepee!
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Hey man, there's a spot right beside the snack bar man!

It's why we share the same twisted sense of humour my friend. :mrgreen:
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Strangelove wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:20 pm Hey man, there's a spot right beside the snack bar man!

It's why we share the same twisted sense of humour my friend. :mrgreen:
Forget it man I’m not playing this game for you.
I made my point, you seem incapable of hearing it.
I’m moving on see ya.
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ukcanuck wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:24 pm I made my point
Yeahno, they've poisoned your mind over there in Dubai bro, time to come back home and relearn LOVE! :D

(I mean if you're not on the No Fly List of course) :lol:
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Why do the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, and Australia support Israel?

Because they also got rich or came into existence by occupying land to create settlements and driving or persecuting indigenous people into extinction or obscurity says Noah Chomsky




Chomsky and the Middle East
Chomsky "grew up ... in the Jewish-Zionist cultural tradition" (Peck, p. 11). His father was one of the foremost scholars of the Hebrew language and taught at a religious school. Chomsky has also had a long fascination with and involvement in Zionist politics. As he described:

I was deeply interested in ... Zionist affairs and activities – or what was then called 'Zionist,' though the same ideas and concerns are now called 'anti-Zionist.'

I was interested in socialist, binationalist options for Palestine, and in the kibbutzim and the whole cooperative labor system that had developed in the Jewish settlement there (the Yishuv) ...

The vague ideas I had at the time [1947] were to go to Palestine, perhaps to a kibbutz, to try to become involved in efforts at Arab-Jewish cooperation within a socialist framework, opposed to the deeply antidemocratic concept of a Jewish state (a position that was considered well within the mainstream of Zionism).


He is highly critical of the policies of Israel towards the Palestinians and its Arab neighbors. His book The Fateful Triangle is considered one of the premier texts on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict among those who oppose Israel's policies in regard to the Palestinians as well as American support for the state of Israel. He has also accused Israel of "guiding state terrorism" for selling weapons to apartheid South Africa and Latin American countries that he characterizes as U.S. puppet states, e.g. Guatemala in the 1980s, as well as U.S.-backed paramilitaries (or, according to Chomsky, terrorists) such as the Nicaraguan Contras. (What Uncle Sam Really Wants, Chapter 2.4) Chomsky characterizes Israel as a "mercenary state", "an Israeli Sparta", and a militarized dependency within a U.S. system of hegemony. He has also fiercely criticized sectors of the American Jewish community for their role in obtaining U.S. support, stating that "they should more properly be called 'supporters of the moral degeneration and ultimate destruction of Israel'" (Fateful Triangle, p. 4).

He says of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL): The leading official monitor of anti-Semitism, the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, interprets anti-Semitism as unwillingness to conform to its requirements with regard to support for Israeli authorities. ... The logic is straightforward: Anti-Semitism is opposition to the interests of Israel (as the ADL sees them). ...The ADL has virtually abandoned its earlier role as a civil rights organization, becoming 'one of the main pillars' of Israeli propaganda in the U.S., as the Israeli press casually describes it, engaged in surveillance, blacklisting, compilation of FBI-style files circulated to adherents for the purpose of defamation, angry public responses to criticism of Israeli actions, and so on.

These efforts, buttressed by insinuations of anti-Semitism or direct accusations, are intended to deflect or undermine opposition to Israeli policies, including Israel's refusal, with U.S. support, to move towards a general political settlement. [51]

In a 2004 interview with Jennifer Bleyer published The Ugly Planet, issue two[52][53][54] and in Heeb magazine,[55] Chomsky stated:

It ends up that about 90% of the land [in Israel] is reserved for people of Jewish race, religion and origin. If 90% of the land in the United States were reserved for people of white, Christian race, religion and origin, I'd be opposed. So would the ADL. We should accept universal values.

In May 2013, Chomsky, along with other professors such as Malcolm Levitt, advised Stephen Hawking to boycott an Israeli conference.[56]

As a result of his views on the Middle East, Chomsky was banned from entering Israel in 2010.
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ukcanuck wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:52 pm Why do the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, and Australia support Israel?

Because they also got rich or came into existence by occupying land to create settlements and driving or persecuting indigenous people into extinction or obscurity says Noah Chomsky
Israel has a historical claim to that geographical area that, in principle, would be no different than the historical claim that first nations cling to in regards to ancestral lands in North America. They were conquered a few times in their history, they went back and rebuilt, rinse, repeat, right up until the Roman Empire showed up, conquered damned near everything over there, and eventually destroyed Jerusalem when Israel tried to revolt. The nation of Israel disappeared and Jews scattered abroad with no real country to call their own.....until 1948. So you champion the causes of indigenous tribes in North America and Australia, want to give them back what was theirs, yet when Israel goes and takes back what was theirs you vilify them. Odd.

Look at history. Almost every rich or powerful culture achieved their prominence by conquest and war.

The North American first nations did the same thing amongst themselves. Raiding each other, taking slaves, attempting genocide, etc. At least one of the bands of the pacific NW was known to actually head down the coast and bring back slaves from Central and South America.

So in your mind it was OK for the technologically, and militaristically, superior Roman Empire to march all over and destroy Israel (among other cultures of the time as well), treat them as second rate people and slaves, yet when white Europeans decide to do it on the other side of the ocean, and then become individual nations of Canada and the USA, it's more grievous.....and when Israel gets some help and Jews want to come back to their homeland 2000 years later following one of the greatest attempts at prejudicially driven genocide in modern history (Nazi Germany) you want to cry foul.

Ok. Sure. I'll grant you it seems like that's a crime in and of itself since other people had moved in and were now the residing occupants of that land (however they got it), and the powers of the world in the mid 20th century basically told them, "So sorry, you're out, Israel is in, and they can do whatever they need to do to solidify their territorial claims and we will turn a blind eye."

Bad. Bad. Bad.

But no different in principle than trying to turn back the clock for indigenous peoples in terms of land ownership etc.

I'm not advocating for Israel's right to their territory, I'm not condoning what they have done (and are doing?) when it comes to Palestinians. I'm not absolving North American governments of their errant choices when it comes to residential schools, reservations, and racial inequalities.

I'm saying that the principle is the same and that too often it seems that there is a pick and choose in terms of where it gets applied.
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