Cousin Strawberry wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 9:09 pm
ukcanuck wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:28 pm
Yeah that’s exactly what the talking heads are all asking, do you condemn firing rockets on Israeli citizens
Hamas is the far right, extreme Islamist and terrorist end of the political spectrum. They should be and are condemned in court of world opinion, no one supports that, launching rockets clearly is an act of war.
Why does that require a clarification? We are all gentlemen here.
Oh wait, but do you agree that forcibly removing law abiding Arab Palestinians from their long standing homes, having those homes bulldozed in order to build gated security condos subsidized by an occupying military force is ethnic cleansing?
Because it’s crooked pool to whine self defence while the guy is on the ground flailing about with your boot on his neck.
The jewish diaspora predates pretty well all recorded history so maybe recently the palestinians laid claim to these lands but they have always been the ancestral home of the jews.
Obviously bulldozing them out is extreme but these people have been oppressed and forced from their homes by force for millennia so they are far less sympathetic and more likely to be ruthless to reclaim what they feel is theirs. Remember before islam (which is relatively new) they would've all been jews as they share a common heritage
I’m sure the Jews and Muslims can go back and forth all day about he said, she said in the past but I look at this way.
1948-49 saw the re-creation of Israel from the cake that was Palestine. The Jews got half and the Palestinians got half.
The Jews accepted their slice and have all full credit to them turned Israel into a modern jewel in the Middle East.
The Palestinians for their part didn’t accept the partition and threw a fit. Arabs in general had been promised independence by the western allies and they felt cutting Palestine in half was a betrayal. So the Palestinians threw their slice of cake back and the rest of the Arabs tried to take the whole thing and failed.
The newly formed Israel won the day and occupied all the territory that was promised to the Palestinians. So far Israel looks like hero’s. They got their country back, they won the war against the Arab coalition and all is cake by the ocean for them and the call goes out around the world for the Jews to come home for the first time in 2000 years.
What a Hollywood story and good for them! Who could not be a fan?
But for the Palestinians who fought alongside everyone else against the Turks in WW1 and against the nazis in WW2 were betrayed by the west and then occupied by the Israelis? not so much.
Now its the Palestinians who are homeless and witnessing a diaspora themselves having fled or forced to relocate throughout the muslim world.
For those that have stayed? They are virtual prisoners in a large concentration camp. (SL is probably twisting in rage at this moment screaming anti semetism at the mention of concentration camp) but the nazis didn’t invent concentration camps the Spanish empire did in Cuba. In the face of internal rebellion when you don’t know who the bad guys are, you round everyone up and hold them in camps while you sort out who is who and which ones you’re going to execute.
SL doesn’t like to hear it but the Israelis control all land crossings, all airports, and all seaports. Nothing gets in or out without inspection and fees from the Israelis and anything that could be used in a rebellion like smart phones or electronics are tightly controlled.
The tunnels that first the PLO then Hamas used to smuggle in the pitchforks and soviet era rockets? They are mostly used to smuggle in KFC Chicken and other products banned by Jewish custom and tradition. It’s not really a reach to conclude that every part of every Palestinian’s life is monitored and controlled by the Israelis
The Israelis have held the Palestinians in this kind of camp for 54 years. The longest occupation of extra national territory in modern nation state history. And after 54 years of back and forth between both sides has long ago slid into an entrenched state of bad blood.
But the kicker and the line in the sand is the Israeli policy of sending Jewish settlers into territories that were not part of their original slice of cake and then annexing that territory into Israel proper. You can see the problem right? Over time less and less of Palestine remains. The idea of a two state solution, the only fair solution is being eliminated slowly by the Israeli policies.
So here’s the question, what would you have the Palestinians do? Curl up and die or fight back?
No one can expect them to curl up and die so what’s left? Fight back. But the second a Palestinian picks up a rock he is a terrorist !
You can see a version of that right here with SL’s coming unglued over my suggestion that, hey these are just people trying to get a place in the sun and if you prevent them from that, if you deny a man a chance at a home and a hearth and children running underfoot then he picks up a gun and becomes a terrorist. If you take his gun he will use rocks. If you take the rocks from him, if you systematically remove every other avenue for that man to regain his hope, if you render him hopeless he will strap a bomb to his ass and walk into the nearest coffee shop. That’s the nature of terrorism.
And btw let’s not climb too high up on that high horse, plenty of our own hero’s have been or have committed acts of terrorism over the years. Violence is terrorism
George Washington was a terrorist to the British, they had a price on his head and if they had got their hands on him they would have hung him no questions asked. The list of acts of terror pretty began with Cain bashing in Abel’s head and we’ve been doing it to each other ever since.
In all of that history of cold blooded murder to suddenly stand up and point fingers at Hamas is too rich. Oh NOW there are rules of engagement? After we drag them out of their homes, beat them in the streets and brutalize them in their mosques, after we leave them no legal or peaceful recourse and after 54 years of the loss of their homeland, inch by inch street by street. Now we are going to get picky about which kind of murder is justified and which kind is “terrorism?”
Yeah, sorry, I for one am not that stupid. I look at two dogs fighting and I see two dogs fighting
I’ve read enough history to know that history textbooks are bullshit
And I know that cuntservatives exist and are out there and their Christian Right agenda means more to them than accepting reality so yeah fuck that.
That mess over there called the middle east ? That shithole is all our own doing. Think about it, for nearly 2000 years Jews muslim and Christians living in Palestine have lived in harmony worshipping religions that are nearly identical peacefully
A hundred years ago they discover oil and bang two world wars later they are at each others throats and we own control all the oil under their feet. Coincidence? I think not ...