Kneecaps

[SKYO]

Government may win, but Christy is outty! in due time.....I know ohdee will want to bend her over the barrel.

[ukcanuck]

Reopen the deal clause once court case appeals have run their course. - Government win

LOL!!!

Yeahno.

Government initially proposed the reopen clause and then replaced it with E80. E80 is out, reopen clause back in (and grievances that may be payable pending the outcome of the court cases going back to Christie's original tampering with the contract bought off). - Government win

The re open clause allows either side to negoiate a new class size and composition agreement.

It's all the BCTF ever wanted, to be consulted and to bargain faithfully for working conditions.

Haven't had that since CC was minister of Ed...

Sorry charlie but that's. A BCTF WIN

[Strangelove]

Reopen the deal clause once court case appeals have run their course. - Government win

LOL!!!

Yeahno.

Government initially proposed the reopen clause and then replaced it with E80. E80 is out, reopen clause back in (and grievances that may be payable pending the outcome of the court cases going back to Christie's original tampering with the contract bought off). - Government win

LOL!!!

Yeahno.

[Topper]

Reopen the deal clause once court case appeals have run their course. - Government win

LOL!!!

Yeahno.

Government initially proposed the reopen clause and then replaced it with E80. E80 is out, reopen clause back in (and grievances that may be payable pending the outcome of the court cases going back to Christie's original tampering with the contract bought off). - Government win

LOL!!!

Yeahno.

Not only have they reinstated the reopening clause they have bought off any grievances that may if the courts decide in the BCTF favour with the money they would have used for signing bonus.

You want to LOL, watch Iker's presser where he tries spinning it your way only to be rebuked with a followup question. All he could do was laugh nervously and say he'd try to explain it later.

[Strangelove]

LOL!!!

Yeahno.

Not only have they reinstated the reopening clause they have bought off any grievances that may if the courts decide in the BCTF favour with the money they would have used for signing bonus.

You want to LOL, watch Iker's presser where he tries spinning it your way only to be rebuked with a followup question. All he could do was laugh nervously and say he'd try to explain it later.

The $105m fund to settle class-size union grievances is an admission of defeat!

The government does not get that money back if they were to win (LOL!!!) the appeal.

So yeah, like I've been saying, everyone paying attention knows the government is (still) going to lose in court.

Yes I realize you have never argued that point.

You say that the $105m is money the government "would have used for signing bonus"

... but the "signing bonus offer" has been off the table since June - and it was roughly half that amount.

And when the government loses their appeal, doesn't that mean they will (still) have to hire more teachers?

Aside from that, government also increased the "Education Fund" (is it?) by another $100m.

Yeah, and I think I read they also increased the benefit package somewhat.

Yes, the union settled for less as far as wages, but that was a given (still got more than the rest of public sector).

But yeah, I think they would have received about double that $105m in grievances if they had left it to the courts.

So they give up about $100m in future grievances, get it back in the boost to the "Education Fund"

... the government is forced to hire more teachers both now and down the road (post-court-decision).

Is that a fair way to look at it?

I really don't know.

I'm cheering for you to win this debate by the way.

And hey I'm not totally up to speed on this... so you may do just that!

I ask only that you don't say anything positive about Christy.... K?

But, by all means, keep slamming that goddamned ugly sumbitch hippy Iker!

[Arachnid]

LOL!!!

Yeahno.

Not only have they reinstated the reopening clause they have bought off any grievances that may if the courts decide in the BCTF favour with the money they would have used for signing bonus.

You want to LOL, watch Iker's presser where he tries spinning it your way only to be rebuked with a followup question. All he could do was laugh nervously and say he'd try to explain it later.

The $105m fund to settle class-size union grievances is an admission of defeat!

The government does not get that money back if they were to win (LOL!!!) the appeal.

So yeah, like I've been saying, everyone paying attention knows the government is (still) going to lose in court.

Yes I realize you have never argued that point.

You say that the $105m is money the government "would have used for signing bonus"

... but the "signing bonus offer" has been off the table since June - and it was roughly half that amount.

And when the government loses their appeal, doesn't that mean they will (still) have to hire more teachers?

Aside from that, government also increased the "Education Fund" (is it?) by another $100m.

Yeah, and I think I read they also increased the benefit package somewhat.

Yes, the union settled for less as far as wages, but that was a given (still got more than the rest of public sector).

But yes, I think they would have received about double that $105m in grievances if they had left it to the courts.

So they give up about $100m in future grievances, get it back in the boost to the "Education Fund"

... the government is forced to hire more teachers both now and down the road (post-court-decision).

Is that a fair way to look at it?

I really don't know.

I'm cheering for you to win this debate by the way.

And hey I'm not totally up to speed on this... so you may do just that!

I ask only that you don't say anything positive about Christy.... K?

But, by all means, keep slamming that goddamned ugly sumbitch hippy Iker!

British Columbia...the Socialist & communist nation of Kanada and why I left for the Right....

[Strangelove]

British Columbia...the Socialist & communist nation of Kanada and why I left for the Right....

Yeahno, you're an anarchist Arachnid.

[Arachnid]

British Columbia...the Socialist & communist nation of Kanada and why I left for the Right....

Yeahno, you're an anarchist Arachnid.

Truthhurtsdonut# you know it, I know it, no heaven just us greenies and their sustainable earth plan....

[Strangelove]

No heaven for you!

NEXT!!!

[Arachnid]

No heaven for you!

NEXT!!!

I win

[Topper]

The $105m fund to settle class-size union grievances is an admission of defeat!

The government does not get that money back if they were to win (LOL!!!) the appeal.

So yeah, like I've been saying, everyone paying attention knows the government is (still) going to lose in court.

Yes I realize you have never argued that point.

You say that the $105m is money the government "would have used for signing bonus"

... but the "signing bonus offer" has been off the table since June - and it was roughly half that amount.

Combining what would have been a signing bonus and with buying off the grievances that could arise from a loss in court is a huge win. The $105 million works out to be roughly $2500/teacher. If you look at the governments original offer of $1200 signing bonus, you'll notice they bought off the grievances for a bit more than $50 million. That is cheap insurance.

That $2500 will be taxable income Government win

And when the government loses their appeal, doesn't that mean they will (still) have to hire more teachers?

No, that's covered.

Aside from that, government also increased the "Education Fund" (is it?) by another $100m.

The education fund is being used to hire more teachers. That $100 million increase is over the term of the deal. The annual funding is still less than 1/2 what the BCTF was demanding and not much more than what the government was originally offering.

Yeah, and I think I read they also increased the benefit package somewhat.

Yes, the union settled for less as far as wages, but that was a given (still got more than the rest of public sector).

But yeah, I think they would have received about double that $105m in grievances if they had left it to the courts.

So they give up about $100m in future grievances, get it back in the boost to the "Education Fund"

... the government is forced to hire more teachers both now and down the road (post-court-decision).

Is that a fair way to look at it?

Additional teachers comes out of the education fund, it is not on top of the deal.

The benefit package that I have heard about is more with topping up part timers. Think of it as Cameron and Fassbender sitting at the table and gorging themselves on the BCTF offer and then brushing the crumbs that fell on table across to Iker.

This deal is a slight increase on what the government tabled in their two offers in May/June but a massive departure from what the BCTF was demanding. Government Win

I really don't know.

Saved to be used again when appropriate.

I'm cheering for you to win this debate by the way.

And hey I'm not totally up to speed on this... so you may do just that!

I ask only that you don't say anything positive about Christy.... K?

But, by all means, keep slamming that goddamned ugly sumbitch hippy Iker!

After what she did in a backroom to that goddamned ugly sumbitch hippy I would not want to be alone with her.

.....................but a threesome with Sarah Palin.................

[Strangelove]

....................but a threesome with Sarah Palin.................

Okay Topper...... YOU WIN!!

[Vader]

And when the government loses their appeal, doesn't that mean they will (still) have to hire more teachers?

I could be wrong but wasn't the courts ruling that any future contract negotiations around class size and composition would supercede the courts rulings....thus no more funding for teachers?

[Strangelove]

And when the government loses their appeal, doesn't that mean they will (still) have to hire more teachers?

I could be wrong but wasn't the courts ruling that any future contract negotiations around class size and composition would supercede the courts rulings....thus no more funding for teachers?

If that were true, why would they still be going ahead in the courts?

Management dropped E-80 from their demands, that's what broke the stalemate.

The case will proceed.

I don't care enough any longer than to do anything more than a simple googling:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/bri ... e20652683/

According to the B.C. Education Ministry, the average class size in 2014 was below the caps scrapped in 2002. Under Tuesday’s deal, the province and BCTF agreed on a $108-million fund to deal with grievances from teachers who feel that class size and composition limits were breached after 2002.

A final decision on who sets those limits – and by extension how many teachers work in B.C. – is expected only after the case is appealed to the Supreme Court of Canada.

I'm still pissed at Christy for her bad-faith law-breaking ways.

She has provoked strikes and the taxpayers are paying her court costs.

The future ruling is all about class size & comp, so yeah we're talking about how many teachers work in B.C.

I believe there will also be a fine of $2m (that's the maximum) (payable to the BCTF).

[Topper]

The demand for hard and fast class size/composition rules will bite and it will lead to a centralization of education services in larger centres at the loss of the smaller rural schools.

......and Vancouver may feel the pinch first as schools are closed in rural east Van.

Do cattle graze in Clark Park?