The Glass is Half Empty....

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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Post by Jovocop » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:26 am

FAN wrote:
Jovocop wrote: Murray would simply make the backend a lot bigger and nastier... As slow as Murray is, I would still take him over Albert or Fistric. Edler and Murray would be a perfect marriage. Two big guys who can hit hard. One brings offense and the other brings solid defense.
Sounds good on paper, but teams might be able to skate circles around that pairing.
Edler is a pretty good skater. Murray is a pylon but he is a huge pylon. It takes a bit of time to skate around him... ;)

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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Post by Jovocop » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:46 am

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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Post by Jovocop » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:56 am

FAN wrote:
Jovocop wrote: Murray would simply make the backend a lot bigger and nastier... As slow as Murray is, I would still take him over Albert or Fistric. Edler and Murray would be a perfect marriage. Two big guys who can hit hard. One brings offense and the other brings solid defense.
Sounds good on paper, but teams might be able to skate circles around that pairing.
The Canucks have a very mobile group of defensemen but a little bit to the small size, except Edler. Adding a guy like Murray should not affect the overall speed of the group but definitely make the team a lot tougher to play against. The only challenges are whether Murray wants to be a Canuck and how much he wants.

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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Post by Meds » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:24 am

Regardless of whether the glass is half empty or half full, the moves, or lack of moves, that Gillis has made this offseason are certainly more confidence inspiring than those made by Jay Feaster or Dave Nonis.

If nothing else, subscribing to a little schadenfreude helps somewhat.

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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Post by SKYO » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:02 pm

Jovocop wrote:
FAN wrote:
Jovocop wrote: Murray would simply make the backend a lot bigger and nastier... As slow as Murray is, I would still take him over Albert or Fistric. Edler and Murray would be a perfect marriage. Two big guys who can hit hard. One brings offense and the other brings solid defense.
Sounds good on paper, but teams might be able to skate circles around that pairing.
The Canucks have a very mobile group of defensemen but a little bit to the small size, except Edler. Adding a guy like Murray should not affect the overall speed of the group but definitely make the team a lot tougher to play against. The only challenges are whether Murray wants to be a Canuck and how much he wants.
Yup, especially around the net we have zero big crease clearers, team has some gritty dmen but they all definitely lack the size to battle with some of the big men in the league, in the playoffs this is even more prevalent.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Post by Tciso » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:41 pm

SKYO wrote: Yup, especially around the net we have zero big crease clearers, team has some gritty dmen but they all definitely lack the size to battle with some of the big men in the league, in the playoffs this is even more prevalent.
Hmmm, a big mook that can clear the crease during defensive zone face offs, and the last minute of the 3rd period when we are up by a goal. Yeah, that's the ticket.

I'd take him as our 6th defenseman, and swap him in and out with Corrado, if Corrado earns the 7th spot in the line up. But, what is he asking for $$ wise??
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Post by Rumsfeld » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:12 pm

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SKYO wrote: Yup, especially around the net we have zero big crease clearers, team has some gritty dmen but they all definitely lack the size to battle with some of the big men in the league, in the playoffs this is even more prevalent.
Hmmm, a big mook that can clear the crease during defensive zone face offs, and the last minute of the 3rd period when we are up by a goal. Yeah, that's the ticket.

I'd take him as our 6th defenseman, and swap him in and out with Corrado, if Corrado earns the 7th spot in the line up. But, what is he asking for $$ wise??
If Corrado "earns" the 7th spot in the lineup then he's also earned a ticket to the AHL. It's stupid to have a kid with no pro experience sitting in the press box when he could be leading the Comets' blue line.
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Post by Jovocop » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:16 pm

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SKYO wrote: Yup, especially around the net we have zero big crease clearers, team has some gritty dmen but they all definitely lack the size to battle with some of the big men in the league, in the playoffs this is even more prevalent.
Hmmm, a big mook that can clear the crease during defensive zone face offs, and the last minute of the 3rd period when we are up by a goal. Yeah, that's the ticket.

I'd take him as our 6th defenseman, and swap him in and out with Corrado, if Corrado earns the 7th spot in the line up. But, what is he asking for $$ wise??
His last contract was $2.5m. It's been a month and he is still not signed. As a 33-years old veteran, I believe that he is looking for a minimum 3-years deal. I am not quite sure a $7m for 3-yrs contract is enough.

Edler Murray
Hamhuis Bieksa
Garrison Tanev
(Weber)

That is a pretty solid top six. Weber could slot in as a 7th defenseman.

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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Post by dbr » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:38 pm

A three year contract for Doug Murray and he's on our top pairing? :shock:

I don't know which is worse..

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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Post by Strangelove » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:50 pm

dbr wrote:A three year contract for Doug Murray and he's on our top pairing? :shock:

I don't know which is worse..
Personally I'd have him see 3rd pairing minutes, albeit with decent PK time.

Yes he's slow but that's why we get him at ~$2mil per... and hey we NEED an asshole.

I'm not afraid of a 3-year-deal @ $2mil per.

If needs-be it's easily bought out as the salary-cap increases...
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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Post by Jovocop » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:57 pm

dbr wrote:A three year contract for Doug Murray and he's on our top pairing? :shock:

I don't know which is worse..
Looking at the pairings, there are no clear cut No.1. One can argue that Hamhuis and Bieksa is the1st pairing. With Garrison and Tanev as another pair, I could see all three pairings eat up equal minutes.

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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Post by Boston Canucker » Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:34 pm

If Wade Redden is healthy (not sure that he is), he might come cheap. I believe his off-season home is Kelowna, so might have an interest in being in Vancouver. If you can get him for 1 mill, and have him as a 5-8 slotted D-man, could be worth the gamble, minimum gamble at that. Before getting injured in the Leaves series, Redden was fine during the reg season and first round. He's not a top 4 guy, so it shifts things around, but he's smart, capable, experienced...hey, if we're talking 3 years for Murray, I'd rather go one year for Redden and see how the younger D men develop...

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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Post by Jovocop » Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:41 pm

Boston Canucker wrote:If Wade Redden is healthy (not sure that he is), he might come cheap. I believe his off-season home is Kelowna, so might have an interest in being in Vancouver. If you can get him for 1 mill, and have him as a 5-8 slotted D-man, could be worth the gamble, minimum gamble at that. Before getting injured in the Leaves series, Redden was fine during the reg season and first round. He's not a top 4 guy, so it shifts things around, but he's smart, capable, experienced...hey, if we're talking 3 years for Murray, I'd rather go one year for Redden and see how the younger D men develop...
I thought the Canucks need more assholes, not another softie. As for the younger D men, I don't see any D prospects that has a similar style to Murray.

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Re: The Glass is Half Empty....

Post by Canuck-One » Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:37 pm

Murray is a lefty and he won't be able to play with Edler unless he can play the right side. So far we have:

Left
Hamhuis
Garrison
Edler


Right
Bieksa
Tanev
Corrado
Weber

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