Luongo and Schneider Revisited (or is it continued?)

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Re: Luongo and Schneider Revisited (or is it continued?)

Postby Strangelove » Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:57 am

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Tciso wrote:2 years from now, he is a FA and can sign with anyone. Jersey has a short term solution if they can't keep him.


I'm sure he'll be well worth whatever salary he receives, unlike the 5.3 million Luongo will be getting until the end of time.


IF Schneids is as good as you say he is Rumms, his cap-hit will be north of $7mil.

But then of course Cory "Panic Attack" Schneider night turn out to be a bigger meltdown artist than my buddy Lou.

Who knows, the guy is 27 had has never played more than 33 games in a season....
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Re: Luongo and Schneider Revisited (or is it continued?)

Postby Rumsfeld » Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:08 pm

7 million and 5.3 million isn't a big difference under a 75+ million dollar cap... especially when the guy getting seven is elite and the guy getting 5.3 is average (referring to 2016).

The panic attack rumors are unsubstantiated and sound like a massive pile of horseshit. The kid performed at an elite level in big games at every level. Even if they are true it was his first playoff game in an incredibly high-pressure situation in a crazy building and it hasn't happened since. There is no way that this incident, true or untrue, contributed in any way to his being traded. Again, shoddy revisionism to make fans feel better.

Funny how nobody was calling Cory a panic-attack victim who can't handle pressure when he played here. :roll:

It was probably what they said it was, leg cramps due to dehydration. Pretty understandable given the circumstances of his first-ever playoff game don'tcha think?

And isn't an 8-goal meltdown in the SCF a "panic attack" of sorts? For the fans it sure as shit was.
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Re: Luongo and Schneider Revisited (or is it continued?)

Postby Rumsfeld » Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:57 pm

I just don't see how spending years developing a first-round pick into an elite player and then flipping that elite player for another first-round pick can be considered a good move. Unless that first-rounder is an obvious franchise player, which Horvat is NOT projected to be.

I've seen a few posters referring to the upcoming "Horvat" era of the Canucks. LOL. The kid is not Henrik Sedin, people.

He's going to be a big part of our team one day most would assume, but let's be realistic. He's a PPG player in a junior league where offensive stars get two PPG.
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Re: Luongo and Schneider Revisited (or is it continued?)

Postby BurningBeard » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:00 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:I've seen a few posters referring to the upcoming "Horvat" era of the Canucks. LOL. The kid is not Henrik Sedin, people.

No, we'd have much lower expectations if that were the case. :lol:
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Re: Luongo and Schneider Revisited (or is it continued?)

Postby BladesofSteel » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:09 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:I just don't see how spending years developing a first-round pick into an elite player and then flipping that elite player for another first-round pick can be considered a good move. Unless that first-rounder is an obvious franchise player, which Horvat is NOT projected to be.

I've seen a few posters referring to the upcoming "Horvat" era of the Canucks. LOL. The kid is not Henrik Sedin, people.

He's going to be a big part of our team one day most would assume, but let's be realistic. He's a PPG player in a junior league where offensive stars get two PPG.

While its debatable whether the likes of Patrice Bergeron or Jordan Staal are franchise players, there is little doubt they both played a significant role in helping their respective clubs win the Stanley Cup.

Neither are offensive powerhouse players, but both are perennial Selke candidates that any club in the league would love to have among their core.

Bo Horvat could conceivably be compared to either of these players based on style of play, physical ability and yes, even Junior stats.

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Re: Luongo and Schneider Revisited (or is it continued?)

Postby Aaronp18 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:20 pm

Rumsfeld wrote: Shall we start comparing our 5th rounder this year to Datsyuk and Zets?


Nah, our 5th rounder this year seems more likely to grab Datsyuk and Zetterberg's heads and smash them together!

Call it the Cederholm smash.
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Re: Luongo and Schneider Revisited (or is it continued?)

Postby Rumsfeld » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:24 pm

BladesofSteel wrote:
Rumsfeld wrote:I just don't see how spending years developing a first-round pick into an elite player and then flipping that elite player for another first-round pick can be considered a good move. Unless that first-rounder is an obvious franchise player, which Horvat is NOT projected to be.

I've seen a few posters referring to the upcoming "Horvat" era of the Canucks. LOL. The kid is not Henrik Sedin, people.

He's going to be a big part of our team one day most would assume, but let's be realistic. He's a PPG player in a junior league where offensive stars get two PPG.

While its debatable whether the likes of Patrice Bergeron or Jordan Staal are franchise players, there is little doubt they both played a significant role in helping their respective clubs win the Stanley Cup.

Neither are offensive powerhouse players, but both are perennial Selke candidates that any club in the league would love to have among their core.

Bo Horvat could conceivably be compared to either of these players based on style of play, physical ability and yes, even Junior stats.

Just sayin'.



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Look, if the kid turns into Patrice Bergeron then ermahgerd, that's fantastic. The point is we don't really know WTF he'll turn into. He could turn into Chris fucking Higgins. Pretty sure those numbers would be somewhat comparable as well.

He'll be good, but how good? We knew what we had in Schneids.
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Re: Luongo and Schneider Revisited (or is it continued?)

Postby Jovocop » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:41 pm

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BladesofSteel wrote:
Rumsfeld wrote:I just don't see how spending years developing a first-round pick into an elite player and then flipping that elite player for another first-round pick can be considered a good move. Unless that first-rounder is an obvious franchise player, which Horvat is NOT projected to be.

I've seen a few posters referring to the upcoming "Horvat" era of the Canucks. LOL. The kid is not Henrik Sedin, people.

He's going to be a big part of our team one day most would assume, but let's be realistic. He's a PPG player in a junior league where offensive stars get two PPG.

While its debatable whether the likes of Patrice Bergeron or Jordan Staal are franchise players, there is little doubt they both played a significant role in helping their respective clubs win the Stanley Cup.

Neither are offensive powerhouse players, but both are perennial Selke candidates that any club in the league would love to have among their core.

Bo Horvat could conceivably be compared to either of these players based on style of play, physical ability and yes, even Junior stats.

Just sayin'.



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Look, if the kid turns into Patrice Bergeron then ermahgerd, that's fantastic. The point is we don't really know WTF he'll turn into. He could turn into Chris fucking Higgins. Pretty sure those numbers would be somewhat comparable as well.

He'll be good, but how good? We knew what we had in Schneids.


For 98 regular season games and 10 playoffs games. Not saying that he is not good but it is still way too soon to call him the next Roy or Brodeur...
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Re: Luongo and Schneider Revisited (or is it continued?)

Postby Rumsfeld » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:48 pm

Using the best two-way centre in the game (Bergeron) as a projection for Horvat seems incredibly optimistic.

I'll admit it makes me a bit hard though.
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Re: Luongo and Schneider Revisited (or is it continued?)

Postby Strangelove » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:50 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:Funny how nobody was calling Cory a panic-attack victim who can't handle pressure when he played here. :roll:


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Re: Luongo and Schneider Revisited (or is it continued?)

Postby Strangelove » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:53 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:Using the best two-way centre in the game (Bergeron) as a projection for Horvat seems incredibly optimistic.


Bo is gonna end up with about 30 lbs more muscle than Bergeron.
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Re: Luongo and Schneider Revisited (or is it continued?)

Postby Rumsfeld » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:00 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Rumsfeld wrote:Using the best two-way centre in the game (Bergeron) as a projection for Horvat seems incredibly optimistic.


Bo is gonna end up with about 30 lbs more muscle than Bergeron.


And about three less Selkes and a few hundred less points and a couple less Cups.*





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Re: Luongo and Schneider Revisited (or is it continued?)

Postby Rumsfeld » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:43 pm

I'm telling you guys, revisionism is like poster vic.

It doesn't work and it sounds stupid.
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Re: Luongo and Schneider Revisited (or is it continued?)

Postby Strangelove » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:43 pm

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Re: Luongo and Schneider Revisited (or is it continued?)

Postby Strangelove » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:35 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:I just don't see how spending years developing a first-round pick into an elite player and then flipping that elite player for another first-round pick can be considered a good move.


C'mon dude, Schneids was drafted 26th overall and we got a 9th overall for him = WE WIN!! :thumbs:

Besides, Schneider was damaged goods (mentally ill) and we still got value for him!!

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