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Re: Coaches canned

Postby RoyalDude » Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:11 pm

I wonder how Canuck alumni's

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Like this rumor
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby RoyalDude » Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:27 pm

Hiring Torts would fall under the Bill Laforge territory of very bad moves by this Organization. If this does happen, Gillis the Players Agent will stand shoulder to shoulder with Jack Gordon as this franchises worse GM's in Canuck history. LMAO
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Strangelove » Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:17 pm

RoyalDude wrote:Hey Doc, what's the deal with Gillis, does he have a thing for wops? It must be Aqualini meddling. :lol:

Torts
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Pinnizotto
Mancari
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Duco


Yeah is this sumuvabeetcha running a hockey team or a pizzeria?? :evil:

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Re: Coaches canned

Postby mpp » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:58 pm

Boston Canucker wrote:If one of the objectives for a new coach is to work on developing young players, I'm not so sure how Torts then fits here. He had some successes (Callahan and a number of the D men did blossom under his coaching, it is true) but he can also be brutal, loook at Kreider. I don't know. I didn't see Torts get Nash/Gaborik etc to go to that next level, and his pp was crap, so I don't see the fit. Maybe his nutjob bullying could work for a year or two, pull off a run to the Cup, but that seems a hail mary pass. If Gillis is looking for a coach who can be a long term guy, work with the young guys as you develop the transition to the next core of leaders over the next 5-7 years then Torts is surely the wrong guy. I hope he's not hired. Stevens seems to make sense, and Bylsma is be becomes free.


If they hire Torts, I guess I will simply sigh and see what happens. Not a big fan of this hypothetical hire.

However, when you mention he can be brutal in developing young players... 8 playoff games and replacing Brad Richards in one of them is not such bad treatment for Kreider. Tough love short term would surely work on some. When I look at Torts, I see emergence of Hagelin, Boyle (2011/2012), as well as revival of Brassard who I thought was a lost case. He should also be credited with trusting young Moore in key moments of the season.

Then again, I recall Torts going to the media about the very same Hagelin and spewing shit like he sucks on power play. Not my idea of encouragement.

Someone here or on HFB put it straightforward: think of Torts as your eventual boss. Yay or nay? Exactly...
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Meds » Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:16 pm

Boston Canucker wrote:If one of the objectives for a new coach is to work on developing young players, I'm not so sure how Torts then fits here.


He fits here because he will make players who don't want to push for the next level very uncomfortable. If nothing else he will be a tool Gillis will be able to use to assess players who want a country club rather than a Stanley Cup.

Boston Canucker wrote:He had some successes (Callahan and a number of the D men did blossom under his coaching, it is true) but he can also be brutal, loook at Kreider. I don't know. I didn't see Torts get Nash/Gaborik etc to go to that next level, and his pp was crap, so I don't see the fit.


I don't think anyone has ever gotten Nash or Gaborik to really get to that next level, at least not on a consistent basis. Nash has only reached the point per game mark twice in his career, his playoff numbers are 8 points in 16 games (5 in 12 with NY). Gaborik has been a streaky player his entire career, loads of offensive talent, but also injury prone. Gaborik has only been a true playoff performer one time in his NHL career, too bad for the Canucks it was in 2003. His numbers have always been better when playing in Europe.

Boston Canucker wrote:Maybe his nutjob bullying could work for a year or two, pull off a run to the Cup, but that seems a hail mary pass. If Gillis is looking for a coach who can be a long term guy, work with the young guys as you develop the transition to the next core of leaders over the next 5-7 years then Torts is surely the wrong guy. I hope he's not hired. Stevens seems to make sense, and Bylsma is be becomes free.


I don't get the impression that Gillis is looking for a long term coach. He may say that, but remember, with GMMG it's all smoke and mirrors. I think he wants a coach who can kick this group in the ass while they still have the talent and energy left to get it done. I think he is indeed going for the Hail Mary behind the bench right now, with this current roster it's all he has left.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Eddy Punch Clock » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:16 am

Strangelove wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Hey Doc, what's the deal with Gillis, does he have a thing for wops? It must be Aqualini meddling. :lol:

Torts
Sestito
Volpatti
Pinnizotto
Mancari
Corrado
Luongo
Duco


Yeah is this sumuvabeetcha running a hockey team or a pizzeria?? :evil:

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Re: Coaches canned

Postby herb » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:38 am

vic wrote:Simmonds, Schenn and Johnson were not part of their core group. All three were (are) young prospects playing in the big-leagues. Those three (plus a few picks) got the Kings Carter and Richards.

The biggest thing that turned around the King's season was bringing in a new coach. Sutter lit a fire under guys like Brown, Doughty, Richards, Kopitar, Williams, Mitchell, Stoll, Quick and others who were part of the core and still are.

LA traded a young Jack Johnson for a legit 2nd line center and got a new coach. The core remained in-tact.


The bottom line is LA didn't think they were good enough and then went and added two top six forwards to their core group. They gave up a lot to get Carter and Richards, but didn't have to sacrifice any of their core players. If the Canucks could add two forwards the calibre of those two, oh boy what an upgrade to our offense that would be. No longer would we have to rely strictly on the Sedins for offense.

Changing the coach is one thing, adding two players the calibre of Richards and Carter is a whole other ballgame in terms of forward talent. LA was able to add to their core, without subtracting any core players, which is huge. I was Gillis had been in on those trades instead of Lombardi.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby herb » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:47 am

Mondi wrote:This.

The Canucks have been removing offence for 3 years now. Even if they were aging or headcase players, with questionable value, they were offensive and have not been replaced.

Cody Hodgson was more offensive than Zack Kassian
Michael Samuelsson was more offensive than David Booth
Sami Salo was more offensive than Jason Garrison
Christian Erhoff was more offensive than Chris Tanev
Raffi Torres was more offensive than Dale Weise
Pavol Demitra was more offensive than Mason Raymond (or Janik Hansen)

Not saying these moves were bad per se, just that a lot of the creativity has been replaced with a lack thereof. And, its not as if the replacements are a bunch of assholes and crushers.


I agree with the above with the exception of Jason Garrison, who has been an upgrade on Salo. Other than that, I think you’re bang on with your assessment.

Really, if you look back at 2011, 179 points offensive output was removed from the roster and not effectively replaced when Samuelsson, Ehrhoff and Torres left town. This has just increased the offensive burden on Hank and Dank at a time when really we should be thinking about transitioning them to the secondary offensive unit.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Hockey Widow » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:54 am

Bylsma given a two year extension, take him off any list of potential coaches.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Eddy Punch Clock » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:01 am

Hockey Widow wrote:Bylsma given a two year extension, take him off any list of potential coaches.


Sign and trade?

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Re: Coaches canned

Postby herb » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:05 am

I never thought Bylsma was going to be available anyway, although, this smells a bit like AV last year. I bet he gets one more chance, and if his team craps out in four straight again he’ll be done.

You have to think MAF is done in Pittsburgh, no?

Ownership in Pittsburgh has to be pissed at giving up all those assets at the trade deadline, having a healthy team in the playoffs, and having nothing to show for it.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby SKYO » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:14 am

herb wrote:You have to think MAF is done in Pittsburgh, no?

Ownership in Pittsburgh has to be pissed at giving up all those assets at the trade deadline, having a healthy team in the playoffs, and having nothing to show for it.


Nope Shero just said "I'm not getting rid of Marc-Andre Fleury." he believes MAF will go back to his 08-09 self again. ha
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby Rumsfeld » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:27 am

herb wrote:Ownership in Pittsburgh has to be pissed at giving up all those assets at the trade deadline, having a healthy team in the playoffs, and having nothing to show for it.


Well they did make the final four, which is usually considered a successful season. Obviously there was a cup or bust mentality in Steeltown this year, but it wasn't a complete disaster.

Nothing to show for it would be like, for example, getting swept in the first round by a middling playoff team like the San Jose Sharks...

I have a hard time believing that Shero is being honest with regards to his comments about MAF.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby herb » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:28 am

SKYO wrote:Nope Shero just said "I'm not getting rid of Marc-Andre Fleury." he believes MAF will go back to his 08-09 self again. ha


Sounds like Burke's never ending defense of Cloutier. Face it Ray, MAF is not a good goaltender.
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Re: Coaches canned

Postby herb » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:32 am

Rumsfeld wrote:Well they did make the final four, which is usually considered a successful season. Obviously there was a cup or bust mentality in Steeltown this year, but it wasn't a complete disaster.

Nothing to show for it would be like, for example, getting swept in the first round by a middling playoff team like the San Jose Sharks...

I have a hard time believing that Shero is being honest with regards to his comments about MAF.


Generally that would be a very successful season for most teams, but when you obviously go “all in’ with three big deadline day acquisitions and end up going four and out in embarrassing fashion, that’s a disaster. Remember, they only scored two goals against the Bruins in four games!

The Pens were an inch from losing in the first round to the Islanders!
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