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Cornuck wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:45 am
theman wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:33 am
Cherry Picker wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:24 am Any cap hit above $1,075,000 sent down counts against the cap, so in Loui’s case $4,925,000 ($6,000,000 - $1,075,000) would still count against the cap if he were sent down.
So that is how it works. Always wondered about that. Thanks.
We need to factor in the 'retirement variable' if Loui gets tired of AHL buses. I don't have the full equation on that, but it should help our cap, right?
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Or if something terrible happened to him, his cap hit could be put on LTIR.
Maybe he’ll develop an equipment allergy like Hossa did.

On a completely different topic, has anyone ever seen that movie “I, Tonya?” Great flick that is, right?
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Cherry Picker wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:55 am
Cornuck wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:45 am
theman wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:33 am
Cherry Picker wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:24 am Any cap hit above $1,075,000 sent down counts against the cap, so in Loui’s case $4,925,000 ($6,000,000 - $1,075,000) would still count against the cap if he were sent down.
So that is how it works. Always wondered about that. Thanks.
We need to factor in the 'retirement variable' if Loui gets tired of AHL buses. I don't have the full equation on that, but it should help our cap, right?
Yes!
Or if something terrible happened to him, his cap hit could be put on LTIR.
Maybe he’ll develop an equipment allergy like Hossa did.

On a completely different topic, has anyone ever seen that movie “I, Tonya?” Great flick that is, right?
Still think we need to get the Triads to 'Tonya Harding' him.
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Cherry Picker wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:51 am No this is old news. With the lack of revenue the new CBA agreement has a 20% escrow this season (down to 6% in later years). On top of that there is a 10% additional hold back this season that the players could get back in later years if the revenue improves enough, but it probably won’t so practically the players lose 30% this season off the top of their salaries. It would reduce the cash paid out to Eriksson, but it won’t affect his cap hit. A non-cap team would be more likely to take his salary because the payout is lower, but I think if they were able to find a taker for Eriksson’s salary, it would have been done already. I think Benning was choked not having early round draft picks this season. He seems not very willing to add picks or good prospects out to move Eriksson. He might put Loui in Utica and save a bit over a million on the cap, but moving his whole cap hit to another team seems very unlikely at this point.
I'd actually missed that extra 10% bonus escrow - so imagine you're Loui, you've cashed the $3mil cheque in July...now your $1 mil salary is down to $700k. Are you going to ride the buses in Utica for 6 months for $700k?

Maybe that's the real reason Loui wasn't moved - Benning has a deal to let Loui compete in camp, and if he's demoted then Loui will pack it in. If he retires before the season starts, I'm pretty sure the whole cap hit goes away.
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ESQ wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:06 am
Cherry Picker wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:51 am No this is old news. With the lack of revenue the new CBA agreement has a 20% escrow this season (down to 6% in later years). On top of that there is a 10% additional hold back this season that the players could get back in later years if the revenue improves enough, but it probably won’t so practically the players lose 30% this season off the top of their salaries. It would reduce the cash paid out to Eriksson, but it won’t affect his cap hit. A non-cap team would be more likely to take his salary because the payout is lower, but I think if they were able to find a taker for Eriksson’s salary, it would have been done already. I think Benning was choked not having early round draft picks this season. He seems not very willing to add picks or good prospects out to move Eriksson. He might put Loui in Utica and save a bit over a million on the cap, but moving his whole cap hit to another team seems very unlikely at this point.
I'd actually missed that extra 10% bonus escrow - so imagine you're Loui, you've cashed the $3mil cheque in July...now your $1 mil salary is down to $700k. Are you going to ride the buses in Utica for 6 months for $700k?

Maybe that's the real reason Loui wasn't moved - Benning has a deal to let Loui compete in camp, and if he's demoted then Loui will pack it in. If he retires before the season starts, I'm pretty sure the whole cap hit goes away.
Luoi will still get his 6 mill in the minors though. The canucks gain the 1 mill in cap space thats all

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OTTAWA - The Ottawa Senators announced today that the team has signed forward Evgenii Dadonov to a three-year contract. The contract holds an average annual value of $5M and will see Dadonov earn $3.5M in 2020-21, $5M in 2021-22 and $6.5M in 2022-23.
https://www.nhl.com/senators/news/ottaw ... -319461396

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The Brown Wizard wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:42 am
Luoi will still get his 6 mill in the minors though. The canucks gain the 1 mill in cap space thats all

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ESQ wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:06 am
Cherry Picker wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:51 am No this is old news. With the lack of revenue the new CBA agreement has a 20% escrow this season (down to 6% in later years). On top of that there is a 10% additional hold back this season that the players could get back in later years if the revenue improves enough, but it probably won’t so practically the players lose 30% this season off the top of their salaries. It would reduce the cash paid out to Eriksson, but it won’t affect his cap hit. A non-cap team would be more likely to take his salary because the payout is lower, but I think if they were able to find a taker for Eriksson’s salary, it would have been done already. I think Benning was choked not having early round draft picks this season. He seems not very willing to add picks or good prospects out to move Eriksson. He might put Loui in Utica and save a bit over a million on the cap, but moving his whole cap hit to another team seems very unlikely at this point.
I'd actually missed that extra 10% bonus escrow - so imagine you're Loui, you've cashed the $3mil cheque in July...now your $1 mil salary is down to $700k. Are you going to ride the buses in Utica for 6 months for $700k?

Maybe that's the real reason Loui wasn't moved - Benning has a deal to let Loui compete in camp, and if he's demoted then Loui will pack it in. If he retires before the season starts, I'm pretty sure the whole cap hit goes away.
I would not expect a trade for Louise until closer to season start. There is still too many variables to the season.. start date, format, games, etc.

When there is more clarity, I would expect a move then. I don’t doubt the calls have been made, but right now most owners are probably looking at it like there is plenty of time to get to cap floor later, and a short time to to see if the season is cancelled (we keep paying the air thief)
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Cherry Picker wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:51 am No this is old news. With the lack of revenue the new CBA agreement has a 20% escrow this season (down to 6% in later years). On top of that there is a 10% additional hold back this season that the players could get back in later years if the revenue improves enough, but it probably won’t so practically the players lose 30% this season off the top of their salaries. It would reduce the cash paid out to Eriksson, but it won’t affect his cap hit. A non-cap team would be more likely to take his salary because the payout is lower, but I think if they were able to find a taker for Eriksson’s salary, it would have been done already. I think Benning was choked not having early round draft picks this season. He seems not very willing to add picks or good prospects out to move Eriksson. He might put Loui in Utica and save a bit over a million on the cap, but moving his whole cap hit to another team seems very unlikely at this point.
I was hearing about other aspects about impact on salary just never heard the direct % of a straight reduction. Then I also wonder about only playing 40 - 60 games and how that will also impact the actual salaries of the players.

Well I guess we will see.

Plus i really wanted to be the first.
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Curmudgeon wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:22 pm With Gallagher, I like him as a player but I think the Canucks need to add a little size plus I'm not so sure he can continue to play that style for another 6 years without incurring a lot more injury as he gets older.
Size for what? He's not a checking line player. "Size" is used for scorers as a proxy for their play in the paint. But guys like him and Pavelski who aren't big score almost all their goals like they are big men, and they are absolutely elite at it. (JoPa's older, of course).

I agree that 6 years is a little risky for a player who makes their living getting hacked, but that's true regardless of size. Pavelski's a comp who made it at least until age 35. He's 36 now; last year was a down season but then he was money in the playoffs).
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Meds wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:44 am
Curmudgeon wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:42 pm
The Brown Wizard wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:33 pm
Curmudgeon wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:22 pm
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With Gallagher, I like him as a player but I think the Canucks need to add a little size plus I'm not so sure he can continue to play that style for another 6 years without incurring a lot more injury as he gets older.
He punches waaaay above his weight class and is a warrior but you nailed it with his style leading to more injuries down the road.

Its all out the window anyways with todays commitment
Yes, I think they dodged one but who knows whether the rumoured interest was even valid. Plus they have Hoglander coming and I'd rather see if he can be a younger, cheaper, nastier option for that size range.
I bet this rumoured interest was another story that Mickey broke.....has to be true then, no?
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UWSaint wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:28 pm
Curmudgeon wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:22 pm With Gallagher, I like him as a player but I think the Canucks need to add a little size plus I'm not so sure he can continue to play that style for another 6 years without incurring a lot more injury as he gets older.
Size for what? He's not a checking line player. "Size" is used for scorers as a proxy for their play in the paint. But guys like him and Pavelski who aren't big score almost all their goals like they are big men, and they are absolutely elite at it. (JoPa's older, of course).

I agree that 6 years is a little risky for a player who makes their living getting hacked, but that's true regardless of size. Pavelski's a comp who made it at least until age 35. He's 36 now; last year was a down season but then he was money in the playoffs).
I kind of like what Toffoli brought, he's not the biggest guy but he doesn't get knocked around much and can also finish from in tight. I think that type and size of player was a good fit. I don't know about the Pavelski comparison, he's actually closer in size to Toffoli and while he's effective playing in tight, he doesn't seem as reckless about leaving himself vulnerable to physical punishment as Gallagher is. Regardless of all that, the money alone makes it something to stay away from.
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ESQ wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:06 am
Cherry Picker wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:51 am No this is old news. With the lack of revenue the new CBA agreement has a 20% escrow this season (down to 6% in later years). On top of that there is a 10% additional hold back this season that the players could get back in later years if the revenue improves enough, but it probably won’t so practically the players lose 30% this season off the top of their salaries. It would reduce the cash paid out to Eriksson, but it won’t affect his cap hit. A non-cap team would be more likely to take his salary because the payout is lower, but I think if they were able to find a taker for Eriksson’s salary, it would have been done already. I think Benning was choked not having early round draft picks this season. He seems not very willing to add picks or good prospects out to move Eriksson. He might put Loui in Utica and save a bit over a million on the cap, but moving his whole cap hit to another team seems very unlikely at this point.
I'd actually missed that extra 10% bonus escrow - so imagine you're Loui, you've cashed the $3mil cheque in July...now your $1 mil salary is down to $700k. Are you going to ride the buses in Utica for 6 months for $700k?

Maybe that's the real reason Loui wasn't moved - Benning has a deal to let Loui compete in camp, and if he's demoted then Loui will pack it in. If he retires before the season starts, I'm pretty sure the whole cap hit goes away.
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BingoTough wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:13 pm
ESQ wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:06 am
Cherry Picker wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:51 am No this is old news. With the lack of revenue the new CBA agreement has a 20% escrow this season (down to 6% in later years). On top of that there is a 10% additional hold back this season that the players could get back in later years if the revenue improves enough, but it probably won’t so practically the players lose 30% this season off the top of their salaries. It would reduce the cash paid out to Eriksson, but it won’t affect his cap hit. A non-cap team would be more likely to take his salary because the payout is lower, but I think if they were able to find a taker for Eriksson’s salary, it would have been done already. I think Benning was choked not having early round draft picks this season. He seems not very willing to add picks or good prospects out to move Eriksson. He might put Loui in Utica and save a bit over a million on the cap, but moving his whole cap hit to another team seems very unlikely at this point.
I'd actually missed that extra 10% bonus escrow - so imagine you're Loui, you've cashed the $3mil cheque in July...now your $1 mil salary is down to $700k. Are you going to ride the buses in Utica for 6 months for $700k?

Maybe that's the real reason Loui wasn't moved - Benning has a deal to let Loui compete in camp, and if he's demoted then Loui will pack it in. If he retires before the season starts, I'm pretty sure the whole cap hit goes away.
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OMG, RIGHT?!?? I said this at the end of the season last year!! You make him clear waivers every 90days or so (maximize the opportunity for some other team to take him for nothing, all the while sending the message of your disrespected the contract you signed, so we are disrespecting you) and then from Utica, send him down another league to have him set the record for the highest paid player in the ECHL!!




.... but in hindsight, I think someone (prolly Doc?) corrected me and mentioned that a guy with an NHL contract couldn’t play in the ECHL, and the Utica slinky treatment was the worst we could do.. or something like that..
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You would think that retaining say 2 of the 6 would've been an option but with everybody squeezing nickels right now it ends up being the perfect shiticane.

Where is that player you hate thread when you need it....fuckin Looey :evil:
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Now with this chatter from the Vegas owner about how their time might not survive without ticket sales next year...I'm now thinking of how much 21/22 will get shortened. No way do they do 82 games. Do they even manage 41 games? Then a play-in round?

If they all need fans in the seats, maybe they don't even start by January. Maybe its March-May regular season, June-mid-August playoffs?

And if that's the case ... I'm especially opposed to paying anything to move a contract in this climate. Sure, the team's depth might be nerfed for the upcoming season, but its barely going to be a season anyway.
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